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**where did the current top coaches come from?**

  • I would be wiling to bet jadennis has more upvotes than anyone in the history of this board. +100 for this post if I could

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    So you are telling everyone that if we jump off the cliff we may want to put a mattress at the bottom. That takes all of the rush out of it.

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  • Thanks for the sanity post!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Not only an enjoyable read for the OP, but even most of the comments have been a breath of fresh-air!!!

    So, I'll venture this current observation...I take it that not all of us in the AU Family have gone foaming-at-the-mouth-crazy after all! This is a very uplifting and unifying thread. Thanks again!

    tiger24_7

  • Very telling and when it comes the search underway at Auburn right now; some things occur to me about some of these hires. When we hired Dye he was a man on a mission to rise in the ranks of college coaches and was reaching for the brass ring, the big time with bravado. How long will it take? "60 minutes". Same for Tubs, he was a coach on the rise from Jimmy Johnson's staff at Miami and didn't blink when we came calling and he was at Ole Miss. He wanted the big time. Chizik, same deal, except that he perhaps took a bit of a misstep with ISU but he wanted the big time. So asking you, who among these names WANTS and s seeking that big time? Certainly Fisher, Stoops (yuk yuk), Patterson, Petersen - not seeking it. Not really or have it (see Stoops and Fisher). Petrino - needs a job. Gus - was ASU the right step? I personally have questions about his integrity if what we hear about certain goings on in the program during his tenure are true. Does he really, really want the big time and to be coach at AU? I am warm on that. Going home to Arkysaw and all. So who is on a mission? Who wants the big time? Who will interview that way? Who will bring the swagger to the process? Not much left - just Kirby and perhaps the OC at at the South Carolina school of bovineology. Just guessing, I think we hire Smart.

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  • Would it be weird to say I have a man-crush on Jadennis. Lol just kidding. He seems to write the way I feel. +1 for you Jadennis

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  • The better question since the make it feel better when we hire a no name with no exp crew is hard at it.

    How many natty a does the assistant coaching group have????

    How did bama get to be competing to win 3 out of the last four Bcs titles.... Oh that's right they hired a proven winner. No need for that in auburn since we are to take the role we are best at...the little loser brother.

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  • Jadennis, the great unifier. Please post this again Wednesday after the announcement. In fact, let's get Tim Cook or maybe Jason Dufner to record it and set up a hotline for jumpers to call.

    Prim

  • TheRealRanRob said...

    The better question since the make it feel better when we hire a no name with no exp crew is hard at it.

    How many natty a does the assistant coaching group have????

    How did bama get to be competing to win 3 out of the last four Bcs titles.... Oh that's right they hired a proven winner. No need for that in auburn since we are to take the role we are best at...the little loser brother.

    Sorry RealRanRob...I know you are a long time poster, and normally I try to exercise more patience with you...but seriously...can you turn down the whining just a bit?

    Obviously your idea of a "proven winner" is...I don't know a superhuman, inhuman coach? Even if we hired CBP that is not a guarantee of ANYTHING. There. Is. No. Guarantee! The only thing "little brother" about Auburn is your attitude.

    Go enjoy the upside of being a new father again and try not to be so negative about Auburn. You are one depressing Auburn fan, you know that right?!?

    tiger24_7

  • Why don't you look at the bottom 20 schools too. Coaches either coached somewhere or are first year had coaches, this analysis isn't proof. I want to see the rest of the data.

    cptthumper

  • Excellent post.

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  • Great thread! A few other things to point out. Here goes.... A head coach is more than a "coach." It's more than X's and O's. So, at the risk of stating the obvious, here's my Top 10 List of what we need in a new Head Coach (in no particular order). Feel free to add more...
    1. He has to be a leader of men.
    2. He has to develop players, be a teacher and a motivatational speaker. (something Chizik couldn't accomplish).
    3. He has to be a salesman, i.e. great recruiter. (A recruiter is a salesman. Chizik was good at this.)
    4. He has to run a "business," like a CEO. That includes managing other coaches, dealing with administration staff, dealing with alumni and boosters, managing budgets, etc.
    5. He has to have a tremendous work ethic....24/6 football, 24/1 family time....LOL
    6. He has to be a judge and jury with young men. He has to be a disciplinarian, firm but fair.
    7. He has to be extremely intelligent.
    8. He has to have a plan, a scheme, a "business model" so to speak of what he wants to account polish, what kind of offense and defense he wants, what kind of players he wants to recruit to fit his plan.
    9. He has to be a decision maker and a risk taker. (He has to decide if we go for it on 4th down or punt...etc.)
    10. He has to be a man of character and integrity, a man of fairness who doesn't cheat or let others cheat.

    So, at the end of the day, all the things roll into what kind of head coach we want at Auburn, THEN you add the intangibles. Will he be a good fit with our culture and our school? Does his personality fit? I could go on and on.

    Hiring a new head coach is tough, and risky. You just never know really know what you're going to get. But if you filter the decision with these ten things I note above, at least we've got a shot. Good luck and WAR EAGLE!

    Chaz8758 ●

  • ^^^^^^^^^^to you sir.

    It's not me that's depressing its the program. How can we still be such a pathetic little brother as to take a coach that has never been a head coach at any level and takes first round draft picks and runs his bosses system

    Folks will say... He is a top notch recruiter....who has he recruited against? Saban sealed the deal for any defensive player
    What is his defensive system? Sabans
    What is his offensive system?
    What would his staff look like? Don't know he has never hired one

    But if all y'all are willing to take that risk at this moment..... Go ahead. I for one don't care for hi and hope he does not get the job. Hiring him without interviewing anymore than two other guys each with zero to one year head coaching exp. go ahead. But remember this.

    Saban was not an assistant? He was a highly successful coach. And now he is about to win 3 of the last 4 nattys. Assistant coaches doing this for the first time don't do that. That's ,y whole point. They can all say oh well this person and that person were successfully as a head coach. Well which one had the best team in the country 3 hours up the road and in the same freaking division? None!

    I a, not okay with our football program falling back into the 60s and 70s...... Some, of us are and I a, of the vocal minority. So I will try to stop.......but it is very hard to control this type of frustration.....when I am days away from being a new father......too much stress I guess.

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  • Thanks for all that research jadennis - a voice inside trying to calm us down. Chaz - thanks for adding to the thread and attempting to put us into the deeper voice of reasoning we need as we patiently (actually impatiently) wait. Tick tock.

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  • This is my first post/reply etc.... And I must say it was well worth the wait.... Very well said...

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    WE COMING . WAR EAGLE !

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  • jadennis said...

    If you've spent 3 minutes on the board in the last few months, you've noticed that Auburn is likely headed for the basement of all of football. It's almost a guarantee.

    Pretty much any hire we make is, apparently, going to incite at least 30% of this board to suggest we should concede the West Division to Alabama, LSU, Texas A&M, and even Ole Miss, Mississippi State, and Arkansas (no matter who they hire).

    According to the board...

    Head coaches from small programs can't win. Coordinators without experience can't win. Head coaches that lose games they shouldn't lose can't win. Head coaches that have a losing record against Saban can't win. Head coaches that aren't "proven" in the SEC can't win.

    The only coach that can win? That would be Coach Big-Name. Whoever that is.

    So I thought I'd take a look at the BCS conference schools in the Top 25 right now, and see what category they fall into.

    Notre Dame - proven head coach smaller school Alabama - proven SEC head coach Florida - coordinator, no head coaching experience Oregon - coordinator, no head coaching experience Kansas St - coordinator, no head coaching experience (originally) Stanford - coordinator, no head coaching experience Georgia - coordinator, no head coaching experience LSU - previous head coach, mediocre Texas A&M - proven head coach smaller school S. Carolina - proven SEC head coach Oklahoma - coordinator, no head coaching experience Florida St - coordinator, no head coaching experience Oregon St - coordinator, no head coaching experience (originally) Clemson - coordinator, no head coaching experience Nebraska - coordinator, no head coaching experience UCLA - previous NFL head coach, mediocre Michigan - proven head coach smaller school Northwestern - position coach, no head coaching experience Louisville - coordinator, no head coaching experience Texas - proven head coach

    So the count of the BCS schools in the current Top 25 BCS standings... 12 - coordinator, no head coaching experience 3 - proven head coach smaller school 2 - proven SEC head coach 1 - previous NFL head coach, mediocre 1 - previous head coach, mediocre 1 - proven head coach

    I'm somewhat wondering why I just listed all of that, as I have my doubts about it calming any of the hysteria. But hopefully people will take a minute to digest the info. There are lots of ways to succeed.

    As I posted a while back about "great coaches"....they almost always become great AFTER they get to the right program at the right time. Very rarely do programs hire coaches that are already "great" on a national scale, because such coaches are typically already set at their current job.

    99% chance Bob Stoops isn't leaving Oklahoma. 99% chance Les Miles isn't leaving LSU. 99% chance Chip Kelly isn't leaving Oregon (except for the NFL)

    We need to be prepared that there is a good chance we will hire someone similar to who Florida recently hired...who Georgia hired....who Oklahoma hired....who Nebraska hired.....who Michigan hired....who Notre Dame hired. I'm not sure where the idea came from that the TOP programs in the country only hire proven, successful head coaches. That is actually the very, very rare exception.

    Very interesting article. Your point is made even stronger if you list Spurrier and Saban as mediocre NFL coaches - maybe even NFL losers - especially in Spurrier's case.

    A4D-2

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