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**where did the current top coaches come from?**

  • If you've spent 3 minutes on the board in the last few months, you've noticed that Auburn is likely headed for the basement of all of football. It's almost a guarantee.

    Pretty much any hire we make is, apparently, going to incite at least 30% of this board to suggest we should concede the West Division to Alabama, LSU, Texas A&M, and even Ole Miss, Mississippi State, and Arkansas (no matter who they hire).

    According to the board...

    Head coaches from small programs can't win.
    Coordinators without experience can't win.
    Head coaches that lose games they shouldn't lose can't win.
    Head coaches that have a losing record against Saban can't win.
    Head coaches that aren't "proven" in the SEC can't win.

    The only coach that can win? That would be Coach Big-Name. Whoever that is.

    So I thought I'd take a look at the BCS conference schools in the Top 25 right now, and see what category they fall into.

    Notre Dame - proven head coach smaller school
    Alabama - proven SEC head coach
    Florida - coordinator, no head coaching experience
    Oregon - coordinator, no head coaching experience
    Kansas St - coordinator, no head coaching experience (originally)
    Stanford - coordinator, no head coaching experience
    Georgia - coordinator, no head coaching experience
    LSU - previous head coach, mediocre
    Texas A&M - proven head coach smaller school
    S. Carolina - proven SEC head coach
    Oklahoma - coordinator, no head coaching experience
    Florida St - coordinator, no head coaching experience
    Oregon St - coordinator, no head coaching experience (originally)
    Clemson - coordinator, no head coaching experience
    Nebraska - coordinator, no head coaching experience
    UCLA - previous NFL head coach, mediocre
    Michigan - proven head coach smaller school
    Northwestern - position coach, no head coaching experience
    Louisville - coordinator, no head coaching experience
    Texas - proven head coach

    So the count of the BCS schools in the current Top 25 BCS standings...
    12 - coordinator, no head coaching experience
    3 - proven head coach smaller school
    2 - proven SEC head coach
    1 - previous NFL head coach, mediocre
    1 - previous head coach, mediocre
    1 - proven head coach

    I'm somewhat wondering why I just listed all of that, as I have my doubts about it calming any of the hysteria. But hopefully people will take a minute to digest the info. There are lots of ways to succeed.

    As I posted a while back about "great coaches"....they almost always become great AFTER they get to the right program at the right time. Very rarely do programs hire coaches that are already "great" on a national scale, because such coaches are typically already set at their current job.

    99% chance Bob Stoops isn't leaving Oklahoma.
    99% chance Les Miles isn't leaving LSU.
    99% chance Chip Kelly isn't leaving Oregon (except for the NFL)

    We need to be prepared that there is a good chance we will hire someone similar to who Florida recently hired...who Georgia hired....who Oklahoma hired....who Nebraska hired.....who Michigan hired....who Notre Dame hired. I'm not sure where the idea came from that the TOP programs in the country only hire proven, successful head coaches. That is actually the very, very rare exception.

    This post was edited by jadennis on 12/3/2012 at 1:57 PM

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    jadennis

  • Well-said.

    Alabama delenda est.

    AubieXIII

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  • jadennis said...

    If you've spent 3 minutes on the board in the last few months, you've noticed that Auburn is likely headed for the basement of all of football. It's almost a guarantee.

    Pretty much any hire we make is, apparently, going to incite at least 30% of this board to suggest we should concede the West Division to Alabama, LSU, Texas A&M, and even Ole Miss, Mississippi State, and Arkansas (no matter who they hire).

    According to the board...

    Head coaches from small programs can't win. Coordinators without experience can't win. Head coaches that lose games they shouldn't lose can't win. Head coaches that have a losing record against Saban can't win. Head coaches that aren't "proven" in the SEC can't win.

    The only coach that can win? That would be Coach Big-Name. Whoever that is.

    So I thought I'd take a look at the BCS conference schools in the Top 25 right now, and see what category they fall into.

    Notre Dame - proven head coach smaller school Alabama - proven SEC head coach Florida - coordinator, no head coaching experience Oregon - coordinator, no head coaching experience Kansas St - coordinator, no head coaching experience (originally) Stanford - coordinator, no head coaching experience Georgia - coordinator, no head coaching experience LSU - previous head coach, mediocre Texas A&M - proven head coach smaller school S. Carolina - proven SEC head coach Oklahoma - coordinator, no head coaching experience Florida St - coordinator, no head coaching experience Oregon St - coordinator, no head coaching experience (originally) Clemson - coordinator, no head coaching experience Nebraska - coordinator, no head coaching experience UCLA - previous NFL head coach, mediocre Michigan - proven head coach smaller school Northwestern - position coach, no head coaching experience Louisville - coordinator, no head coaching experience Texas - proven head coach

    So the count of the BCS schools in the current Top 25 BCS standings... 12 - coordinator, no head coaching experience 3 - proven head coach smaller school 2 - proven SEC head coach 1 - previous NFL head coach, mediocre 1 - previous head coach, mediocre 1 - proven head coach

    I'm somewhat wondering why I just listed all of that, as I have my doubts about it calming any of the hysteria. But hopefully people will take a minute to digest the info. There are lots of ways to succeed.

    As I posted a while back about "great coaches"....they almost always become great AFTER they get to the right program at the right time. Very rarely do programs hire coaches that are already "great" on a national scale, because such coaches are typically already set at their current job.

    99% chance Bob Stoops isn't leaving Oklahoma. 99% chance Les Miles isn't leaving LSU. 99% chance Chip Kelly isn't leaving Oregon (except for the NFL)

    We need to be prepared that there is a good chance we will hire someone similar to who Florida recently hired...who Georgia hired....who Oklahoma hired....who Nebraska hired.....who Michigan hired....who Notre Dame hired. I'm not sure where the idea came from that the TOP programs in the country only hire proven, successful head coaches. That is actually the very, very rare exception.

    Also worth noting that the only 2 "proven SEC coaches" that were hired were coming back from unsuccessful stints in the NFL and would have likely never left their former SEC jobs for their current ones.

    jonesjd

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  • jadennis said...

    Nice job jadennis.....

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  • jadennis said...

    If you've spent 3 minutes on the board in the last few months, you've noticed that Auburn is likely headed for the basement of all of football. It's almost a guarantee.

    Pretty much any hire we make is, apparently, going to incite at least 30% of this board to suggest we should concede the West Division to Alabama, LSU, Texas A&M, and even Ole Miss, Mississippi State, and Arkansas (no matter who they hire).

    According to the board...

    Head coaches from small programs can't win. Coordinators without experience can't win. Head coaches that lose games they shouldn't lose can't win. Head coaches that have a losing record against Saban can't win. Head coaches that aren't "proven" in the SEC can't win.

    The only coach that can win? That would be Coach Big-Name. Whoever that is.

    So I thought I'd take a look at the BCS conference schools in the Top 25 right now, and see what category they fall into.

    Notre Dame - proven head coach smaller school Alabama - proven SEC head coach Florida - coordinator, no head coaching experience Oregon - coordinator, no head coaching experience Kansas St - coordinator, no head coaching experience (originally) Stanford - coordinator, no head coaching experience Georgia - coordinator, no head coaching experience LSU - previous head coach, mediocre Texas A&M - proven head coach smaller school S. Carolina - proven SEC head coach Oklahoma - coordinator, no head coaching experience Florida St - coordinator, no head coaching experience Oregon St - coordinator, no head coaching experience (originally) Clemson - coordinator, no head coaching experience Nebraska - coordinator, no head coaching experience UCLA - previous NFL head coach, mediocre Michigan - proven head coach smaller school Northwestern - position coach, no head coaching experience Louisville - coordinator, no head coaching experience Texas - proven head coach

    So the count of the BCS schools in the current Top 25 BCS standings... 12 - coordinator, no head coaching experience 3 - proven head coach smaller school 2 - proven SEC head coach 1 - previous NFL head coach, mediocre 1 - previous head coach, mediocre 1 - proven head coach

    I'm somewhat wondering why I just listed all of that, as I have my doubts about it calming any of the hysteria. But hopefully people will take a minute to digest the info. There are lots of ways to succeed.

    As I posted a while back about "great coaches"....they almost always become great AFTER they get to the right program at the right time. Very rarely do programs hire coaches that are already "great" on a national scale, because such coaches are typically already set at their current job.

    99% chance Bob Stoops isn't leaving Oklahoma. 99% chance Les Miles isn't leaving LSU. 99% chance Chip Kelly isn't leaving Oregon (except for the NFL)

    We need to be prepared that there is a good chance we will hire someone similar to who Florida recently hired...who Georgia hired....who Oklahoma hired....who Nebraska hired.....who Michigan hired....who Notre Dame hired. I'm not sure where the idea came from that the TOP programs in the country only hire proven, successful head coaches. That is actually the very, very rare exception.

    always with the facts! its like you actually have a rational thought process. thanks for trying to calm the "sky is falling" crowd. wareagle

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  • I was just about to post something similar. In a perfect world I would like AU to hire the "perfect proven HC" but here on 12/3/12 I don't see a home run hire anywhere. Who is this proven HC grand slam hire? The names mentioned that are head coaches........none of them thrill me. Petrino is a really good coach but is he great(?) plus he comes with major baggage (even if the issues at UA didn't happen). Jimbo? Not even a little sold on CJF or CGP. Jimbo is still in his head coaching infancy,Patterson is a better than average head coach but not a great fit at AU and in my opinion a TCU lifer. The best name I have seen "on the list" is Bob Stoops but unless he is canned he isn't leaving Oklahoma. A lot of OU fans are ready to run him outta Norman just check their boards. I have the same questions about Malzahn as everyone else, was he a part of what is now the problem with the team? Not sure. I started off liking Petrino but now I prefer a coordinator. I'm now in the CKS corner. Hopefully whoever we hire is a 10 year + guy.

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  • It would be interesting to know, for those teams who hired coaches with no HC experience, what their team was like in terms of NCAA sanctions, bad years/coach before hand, or prominent coach retired or moved on

    I think the majority of people don't want a HC with no experience because at this stage in the game, with top tier recruiting classes, we need a proven guy. In other words, this is not the time to take a chance on a coach.

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  • General1972 said...

    It would be interesting to know, for those teams who hired coaches with no HC experience, what their team was like in terms of NCAA sanctions, bad years/coach before hand, or prominent coach retired or moved on

    I think the majority of people don't want a HC with no experience because at this stage in the game, with top tier recruiting classes, we need a proven guy. In other words, this is not the time to take a chance on a coach.

    I know a lot of folks feel that way, but I would assume every program feels that way in most coaching changes...as most changes are made in bad times.

    Oklahoma had been down since Switzer, and they went coordinator (and from a school known for offense)
    Georgia was coming off of Goff and Donnan, and they went coordinator.
    Oregon was switching from someone that had finally gotten them on the map and turned to a coordinator that had recently just come from D-III New Hampshire a couple years before.
    Florida was at an all-time high and should have been able to hire anyone in the nation short of Saban or Mack Brown, and they went coordinator.
    LSU was replacing Saban, and they chose Les Miles, 28-21 overall, 16-16 in the Big XII.

    I would say that most hires are underwhelming to the fan base at the time....and again, it's because great coaches become great AFTER they are hired...9 out of 10 times...heck, maybe 49 out of 50 times.

    This post was edited by jadennis on 12/3/2012 at 2:49 PM

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    I've got too much Auburn in me to act like bammer trash.

    Will L

  • I thank you for all your hard work and informative posts on this board!

    I would remember that these boards are meant for people to share their thoughts, and when you are sitting behind a computer it is easy to voice a negative opinion, or be "that guy" as there is no accountability on a message board. Also in reading all these posts it seems some just use this as therapy and a way to get your anger taken out on others with out actually hurting them.

    Anyway, please keep up the good work as I enjoy your point of view!!

    Auburn Nemesis

  • Thank you for taking the time to do the research. I hope, but doubt, that some of our more upset message board members will read this and take a deep breath.

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  • dabo wasn't even a coordinator. He was the wr coach, unless you count recruiting coordinator.

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