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whamil77 said...
While I must admit our staff probably isn't yet in a position to make a list such as this (it was a different staff that won the 2010 BCS Championship), I certainly don't understand some of the others.
The USCe staff has done a great job for one reason and one reason only.... the abject weakness of the rest of the SEC East. Florida....gone. Tennessee....gone. UGA....asleep until the last few games of the season. Add to that their record against the West during this period of time. Since 2007, 0-3 against Auburn, 0-2 against LSU, 1-1 against Alabama, 1-4 against Arkansas. That's 2-10 against schools without Mississippi in their names. They won an SEC East title and got absolutely and embarrassingly crushed in the championship game. That's it.
The staff at Ohio State has yet to coach a game. Not ONE. Yet they are ranked #6 in the nation by this clown?
Texas? TEXAS? The team that went into the BCS Championship game in 2009 with only one QB on the roster than had ever taken a snap? The team that lost 7 games the next year and 5 the next?
Virginia Tech? Is this the same VaTech staff that lost to James Madison, Boise State, and East Carolina? Or it this a different VT?
Total and complete joke.
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whamil77 said...
While I must admit our staff probably isn't yet in a position to make a list such as this (it was a different staff that won the 2010 BCS Championship), I certainly don't understand some of the others.
The USCe staff has done a great job for one reason and one reason only.... the abject weakness of the rest of the SEC East. Florida....gone. Tennessee....gone. UGA....asleep until the last few games of the season. Add to that their record against the West during this period of time. Since 2007, 0-3 against Auburn, 0-2 against LSU, 1-1 against Alabama, 1-4 against Arkansas. That's 2-10 against schools without Mississippi in their names. They won an SEC East title and got absolutely and embarrassingly crushed in the championship game. That's it.
The staff at Ohio State has yet to coach a game. Not ONE. Yet they are ranked #6 in the nation by this clown?
Texas? TEXAS? The team that went into the BCS Championship game in 2009 with only one QB on the roster than had ever taken a snap? The team that lost 7 games the next year and 5 the next?
Virginia Tech? Is this the same VaTech staff that lost to James Madison, Boise State, and East Carolina? Or it this a different VT?
Total and complete joke.
This post was edited by jadennis on 8/21/2012 at 10:30 AM
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ColaChiver said...
Noted. I do find fault with some of those as well like Ohio State....Not really sure how you can put someone even in the Top 125 coaching staffs in the country when they haven't coached anything yet. Va Tech I have no problem with being there because they win 10+ games every year. They can't win the big one, but they are still building up. Watch out for Logan Thomas this year, really... Texas has had a bit of a fall the last couple of years, but they have still one multiple Big 12 championships and a national title in 2005. Who would you put above them.
Another great point up there was how AU's staff isn't even remotely the same as it was in 2010. You can't really say our staff should be up there if you point out the thing about Ohio State not having coached anything with our new coordinators and a couple new position coaches.
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whamil77 said...
As for VT, East Carolina and James Madison are the "big ones?"
Texas. Mack Brown has been there for 15 years. For 15 years his recruiting classes have been very highly ranked, dropping out of the top five only in the years when he couldn't sign enough players to rank higher. With teams chocked full of top 5 recruits over long periods of time, he lost 12 games in two years. With a clubhouse full of highly recruited/highly ranked players, in the last three years he has played in a BCS Championship game and lost 12 games. Chizik - won a BCS CG and lost 10 games with no more than 3 years of recruiting. So if Chizik and staff aren't there, why is Brown? Also, Brown's staff is not the same one that coached the BCS Championship game in 2009. They were fired in wholesale following the 7 loss season. The current staff at Texas has one season under their belt with 5 losses with a team comprised of 4-5 years of top 5 recruiting classes.
Who should be there? How about TCU? They have no big time recruits, but have won 80 games in the last 7 years including multiple wins over Boise State including once on the blue field (VT couldn't beat them in Charlottesville), #5 Wisconsin, #5 Utah, Clemson and BYU to name a few. Would have played in a championship game if the format had been the one coming in 2014.
How about Kansas State. Bill Snyder staff there - winners. Bill Snyder staff leaves - losers, Bill Snyder staff returns - winners. Seems like a no-brainer to me.
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jadennis said...
I agree about Ohio State, that's a weird one.
But again, for South Carolina, you can't just write off what they've done because other teams have fallen back. They have fallen back, yet Kentucky is still Kentucky. Carolina is no longer "Carolina".
Carolina is 2-1 vs Florida, 2-1 vs Tennessee, and 2-1 vs Georgia in the last three years. Sure, they are all a down from their "power" positions, but still, while South Carolina has gone 6-3 against those teams, Kentucky and Vanderbilt have still gone 2-16.
And I point again to recruiting as well. In the last 6 classes, they have averaged 9.5 four and five star players per class. The 5 classes before that they averaged 4.8 four and five star players per class (one of which turned out to be our own Kenny irons).
Add to that what they've done for facilities and the change in culture. Trash talking Carolina fans? There was no such thing about 6-7 years ago. They were content to fill 80k into the stadium and just be thankful they had a team.
The more I think about it....I would maybe even put Spurrier at number one on that list because of the depth that his impact has had on the program. It's far, far more than just winning. He actually has it set up to where Carolina will be able to reel in a top-notch coach at the next hiring phase. It's now a place someone would want to go. It's a place now that someone would leave other decent BCS programs to go coach there. Recruits consider them now. In other words, you can win there now, when that wasn't necessarily true before. Another couple years of success and Spurrier will have done for Carolina what Alvarez did for Wisconsin, or what Beamer has done for Virginia Tech (or even Bowden and Florida State).
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ColaChiver said...
So? It's not like Auburn hasn't lost some games that we should have. Mack Brown and a bunch of his staff has been there for years. You can't put an Auburn coaching staff in there when half of our coaching staff hasn't coached a down at Auburn..
2010 Auburn Coaching Staff: 2011 Auburn Coaching Staff:
Head Coach - Gene Chizik - same Offensive Coordinator - Gus Malzahn - Scott Loeffler Defensive Coordinator - Ted Roof - Brian Van Gorder Special Teams Coach - Jeff Boulware - same Running Backs Coach - Curtis Luper - same Defensive Line - Tracy Rocker - Mike Pelton Offensive Line - Jeff Grimer - same Secondary Coach - Phillip Lolley - Willie Martinez Wide Receivers - Trooper Taylor - same
Half of our coaching staff from the National Championship team is gone. That's my point. You can't sit there and count it against one team and not count it against your team because it's convenient for your argument.
Also, I'm not arguing against some of those teams you mentioned, but I would much rather have Texas' last ten years over TCU's...wouldn't you?
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whamil77 said...
While I must admit our staff probably isn't yet in a position to make a list such as this (it was a different staff that won the 2010 BCS Championship), I certainly don't understand some of the others.
The USCe staff has done a great job for one reason and one reason only.... the abject weakness of the rest of the SEC East. Florida....gone. Tennessee....gone. UGA....asleep until the last few games of the season. Add to that their record against the West during this period of time. Since 2007, 0-3 against Auburn, 0-2 against LSU, 1-1 against Alabama, 1-4 against Arkansas. That's 2-10 against schools without Mississippi in their names. They won an SEC East title and got absolutely and embarrassingly crushed in the championship game. That's it.
The staff at Ohio State has yet to coach a game. Not ONE. Yet they are ranked #6 in the nation by this clown?
Texas? TEXAS? The team that went into the BCS Championship game in 2009 with only one QB on the roster than had ever taken a snap? The team that lost 7 games the next year and 5 the next?
Virginia Tech? Is this the same VaTech staff that lost to James Madison, Boise State, and East Carolina? Or it this a different VT?
Total and complete joke.
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jadennis said...
The list doesn't look odd to me either. Do we expect another staff to be #1? They have won two national titles in the last 3 years, went 22-5 in the two "down" years before each title. They have sent 20 players to the NFL since the 2010 draft (most in the nation). Who exactly should be number one if it's not them?
On the other hand, our staff has gone 8-5 twice and had a magical season in between. Right or wrong, until we win some games without the greatest player of all time playing for us, the staff won't get the recognition they deserve. And be honest....if we keep winning 8 games per year....will any of us still think so highly of them?
PS. I don't think for one second we'll keep winning 8 games beyond this year....but so far, for a list being made in 2012, that's all we have to go on.
Yahoo's top 10 coaching staffs...guess who???