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Will Auburn start out slow AGAIN this season?

  • There is no reason to think this year will be much different than the past three under Coach Chizik. Even in 2010 we had close calls with MS State and South Carolina, along with Clemson. New coordinators, new QB starting (most likely) and a new offense could spell disaster early on...

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  • We won't know until the Clemson game

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    General1972

  • I would say to expect a rocky start, ad hope to be disappointed. :-)

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  • Why we'll be better: Overall more experience, more talent, more depth and improved coaching.

    Why we'll be the same: Still lack proven experience at certain positions i.e. QB, OL. Learning curve of new offense and deffensive schemes.

    X-factor: we need one or more of our players to "stand-up" and be an on-the-field leader.

    This post was edited by ezwaffles on 8/8/2012 at 11:29 AM

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    audo

  • Glass half full view:

    It is most likely that our defense will be aggressive but steady, and the offense will be simple to begin with. If we can cut down on penalties and turnovers early, our offense should be able to get a few base plays and run those with precision.

    If our offense can pick up a couple of first downs on the ground on each possession at least, that will keep our defense rested and better able to stay off the field with their own play.

    These new offense and defenses could possibly fix that problem we've had with slow starts in the past.

    This post was edited by TrojanTiger on 8/8/2012 at 11:37 AM

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  • If we go 2-0..Watch out, We'll be coming.

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  • We actually didn't start that slow last year. Offensively we got worse as the year went on. I guess we got a little better defensively as the year went on, hard to say. Probably individually, but maybe not so much corporately.

    For this year, it's really hard to say. I think we'll be better by the end of the year, so in that regard, yeah, I think we'll start slow. The good news is, in college football, that's kind of the case for most teams that aren't returning lots of starters, or more importantly, lots of their top talent.

    There just aren't that many teams that know exactly what they have on both sides of the ball to start the year. Everyone has question marks to start...it's just how many they have and how painful the process is to figure things out.

    In 2010, we took several games to figure out what Cam Newton could do. Luckily, it wasn't too painful and it didn't cost us any games. We were good enough to win at 70% and 80% and 90% of our potential until we got to 100% in the SEC title game. That was probably due to the large number of senior leaders that team had. They were experienced and smart enough to "make it work" until things really got clicking.

    This year? Who knows. 70% might not be good enough to beat Clemson or win on the road at Mississippi State. But maybe we'll be 75% in game one, 80% in game two, and maybe both of those efforts are just barely good enough to win. 80% won't be good enough against LSU in week four, that's for sure. And it might not be good enough against Arkansas in game five.

    So we'll just have to hope we can start off close enough to our potential, and grow fast enough to keep up with our schedule.

    The question too will be, can our coaches figure out what portion of their play books we CAN do close to 100%, and make that work until we catch on to a larger part of the systems. That's really the question I think. Without the senior leadership and experience, I fear we might experience some painful growth (losses) along the way. 2010's team knew how to improvise and cope. Not sure we have enough of those kinds of guys here in 2012.

    This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by jadennis on 8/8/2012 at 11:59 AM

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  • You guys are a pretty pessimistic lot!

    Here's my take. The slow start thing will be mitigated for the following reasons:

    1. New offense. Loeffler's play book, play calling and tendencies are all unknowns. Against Clemson, that is a huge advantage. While we may not have the polish that we'll have at the end of the season, there is no doubt that we'll be a totally different beast than last year.

    2. Big uglies. Dye always said that its hard to win the game if you're consistantly losing the line of scrimmage. We have not had a more athletic crew of big uglies, on both sides of the ball, since Dye was on the sidelines. I think that begins to pay off this year.

    3. New Defense. Similar to the offense, there will be no film of what we did last year to study. In early games, nobody will have any film to study of our Defensive line in all out attack mode because we never did that last year. If Tahj Boyd thinks that he had time for a cup of coffee last year, stay tuned. He wont this year.

    4. Finally, special teams. Jay Boulware is the most underated coach on the staff in my opinion. Year in, year out, our kicking is superior. Our kickoff returners are lethal, (which translates this year to starting on the 25.) Our kick coverages are superior. With Parkey and Clark, we have experience and talent. The only missing piece is a punt returner. Solve that and we're dead solid, perfect and Special Teams often decide close games.

    mhtiger87

  • mhtiger87 said...

    You guys are a pretty pessimistic lot!

    Here's my take. The slow start thing will be mitigated for the following reasons:

    1. New offense. Loeffler's play book, play calling and tendencies are all unknowns. Against Clemson, that is a huge advantage. While we may not have the polish that we'll have at the end of the season, there is no doubt that we'll be a totally different beast than last year.

    2. Big uglies. Dye always said that its hard to win the game if you're consistantly losing the line of scrimmage. We have not had a more athletic crew of big uglies, on both sides of the ball, since Dye was on the sidelines. I think that begins to pay off this year.

    3. New Defense. Similar to the offense, there will be no film of what we did last year to study. In early games, nobody will have any film to study of our Defensive line in all out attack mode because we never did that last year. If Tahj Boyd thinks that he had time for a cup of coffee last year, stay tuned. He wont this year.

    4. Finally, special teams. Jay Boulware is the most underated coach on the staff in my opinion. Year in, year out, our kicking is superior. Our kickoff returners are lethal, (which translates this year to starting on the 25.) Our kick coverages are superior. With Parkey and Clark, we have experience and talent. The only missing piece is a punt returner. Solve that and we're dead solid, perfect and Special Teams often decide close games.

    Great points on the fact there is no film to study for the opposition. That may be just the equalizer we need in the first couple games until we grow in our comfort of what the coaches are asking us to do.

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    jadennis

  • Who knows? I sure don't!

    War_Eagle

  • jadennis said...

    Great points on the fact there is no film to study for the opposition. That may be just the equalizer we need in the first couple games until we grow in our comfort of what the coaches are asking us to do.

    Yes, he makes some valid points.

    Another thing that may speed up team development is the attitude over the summer. Every person I've heard from - from coaches to trainers to players - all say this was the best summer ever.

    We've always heard that the team is made in the summer. A tough first game has certainly helped the guys to the west start out good.

    Add to that what I hope to be LOTS of motivation to get last year's game back from Clemson. I'm sure the coaches (position coaches at least) will show the guys the tape of Doofus celebrating the national championship after they "'stopped the longest winning streak in the nation."

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  • jadennis said...

    Great points on the fact there is no film to study for the opposition. That may be just the equalizer we need in the first couple games until we grow in our comfort of what the coaches are asking us to do.

    It seems that this trait is always more usefull AGAINST us than it is for us. But we may get some sort of advantage due to both sides being brand new.

    As far as what % we will be. I just have this feeling that this team of kids is ready to go out and kick someones butt..TODAY! And I think the coaches are gonna have us ready to go by Sept 1st. Will we be a well oiled machine...prolly not. But we could see a whole diff swag than we had last year in game one. It was almost like we were lost out there the first two weeks. Got it going in the first half of clemason than dropped back off in the second half and never got it back until the bowl game.

    CU will be a test for sure. however our strength is going to be going against their weakness with our DL v their OL. And our New offense wont have any tape to watch of Venebles (sp?) defense either. But our skill players and team speed on that side of the ball could really help us out.

    Point is We DONT KNOW. could start off gangbusters or we could start out with a big fat L. Thats the best part of having ZERO expectatiosn for this team. No matter which way it goes I just want to see effort and imporvement from game to game. And if that happens we will win more than we lose and we will beat a couple that we arent supposed to!

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  • jadennis said...

    Great points on the fact there is no film to study for the opposition. That may be just the equalizer we need in the first couple games until we grow in our comfort of what the coaches are asking us to do.

    I agree. I thought that some of the DC's in the SEC last year were catching on the CGM playbook. That being said, Clemson has a new DC also.

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  • With parity, 3/4 of the teams we play will have talented 1st string players. Depth is why Alabama, LSU, Orgegon, USC are able to win a lot of the games that many teams might lose on a "bad day."

    Auburn is starting to build that depth. The difference THIS YEAR is that our depth is of the same talent level as the aforementioned top teams, our depth just lacks experience.

    How quick the second string guys come along this year will determine our record, possibly as much as anything else. "The top teams know how to win in the fourth quarter." Reason why - they have a deeper, more experienced team.

    I expect Auburn to be coached better than Clemson, but can we avoid mistakes and play consistently? Against Utah State and Miss State last year, we couldn't do that. But, we had better depth and expected to win at that point of the season.

    This post was edited by TrojanTiger on 8/8/2012 at 5:02 PM

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    If we go 2-0, I'll be coming.

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  • TrojanTiger said...

    There is no reason to think this year will be much different than the past three under Coach Chizik. Even in 2010 we had close calls with MS State and South Carolina, along with Clemson. New coordinators, new QB starting (most likely) and a new offense could spell disaster early on...

    Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't seem to recall a slow start in 2009. I believe that team started out fast including a major butt whipping on Mrs State in game two. Game one was a solid win over La Tech who was returning some 18 or 19 starters from a good 2008 team. The 2009 AU team had new coaches and systems top to bottom. So, no it is not a Chizik trade mark to start out slow and I dont expect a slow start this year, keeping the faith - WDE

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