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ColaChiver said...
Posting what many already knew and what those who are against him are going to disect and deny. When it comes down to it, college football is a business. It is win or be gone. Petrino really is the only one that could come in and know what to do to right the ship immediately.
I honestly understand people's reservations about Petrino, I really do. But people are so dead set on judging him and automatically assuming he's going to come in and do that same stuff. Ron, you already said it that the guy is remoresful for what has happened in his past. He has always wanted the Auburn job and I truly do not believe he would make the same mistakes he has previously. He knows what happened almost completely ended him, and he also knows that he can't screw up again or he truly will be blacklisted. I think if BVG were to stay and get some time to develop these guys and with Petrino running the offense that Auburn would become a perennial elite power.
Either way, people are not going to be swayed by anything other than letting the entire situation play out. I've been talkin about it to no avail with Petrino haters and they think I've as equally wrong as I believe them to be. It'll play out and I sincerely hope, in my mind at least, that Petrino is the guy to come in and fix Auburn football....Because what we have seen the past two years is not Auburn football.
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ColaChiver said...
"Many Auburn fans are going to show open disdain in the comments below. I don’t blame them. In a perfect world we would never have Bobby Petrino leading our beloved Auburn Tigers, but we don’t have that luxury of delusional choice."
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jadennis said...
This is really the heart of the debate. I can't see how anyone really questions Petrino as a coach. Those people are delusional (to me at least).
But the debate really comes down to the level of desperation or the willingness to say what we'd do "if we had the choice" and then chose to do something else, as if we have no choice.
There will be the ones that stick with "we have no choice", and there will be the ones that stick with "we absolutely do have a choice".
The ones who think we have no choice view the only options as being Petrino, keeping Chizik, or hiring the next Billy Graham. So when they present themselves with those options...it's easy to fall on "we have no choice, we have to hire Petrino". Sure, if you give yourself ONLY those options...it's an easy choice. (by the way, caps for emphasis, not yelling).
But the ones that fall on the side of "we absolutely do have a choice" imagine that we CAN not only fire Gene Chizik and NOT hire Bobby Petrino, but that we also don't HAVE to hire the NEXT Gene Chizik to replace the current one. They imagine there are options like Jimbo Fisher, Charlie Strong, Mark Dantonio, or NFL coordinators with college experience like Harbaugh's Greg Roman.
So to these people, the "choice" doesn't seem so obvious, as they haven't limited themselves with self-imposed choices like "keep Chizik or hire Petrino", or "hire a saint that can only win 6 games, or hire Petrino". Sure, when artificial limitations on choices are put out that way, then of course Petrino presents as the ONLY option that makes sense.
For the record, I'm not adamantly opposed to Petrino. I'll be on board from day one if we hire him. All I'm doing here is discussing the possibility that those who think there is "no choice" seem to have kinda created these false barriers that shape our options to reflect what they feel...not necessarily what's reality. They FEEL like he's the only choice, so they present the choices in such a way as to make seem so logical and obvious.
But don't forget, Dye came from ECU and Wyoming. Meyer came from BG and Utah. Saban came from Toledo and Michigan State (with one 10 win season in his history), Miles came from Oklahoma State with a 28-21 career record. Heck Jimmy Johnson went to Miami from Oklahoma State with a 29-25-3 record.
The truth is, Petrino might be one of the best options to win, obviously....but he is by NO means the ONLY option.
And for that reason, I think both sides need to do a lot of work on respecting the other side's opinion on the matter.
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AUALLINWDE said...
If Petrino has done this "same stuff" at every other school he's ever coached, then wouldn't it be far more illogical to assume that he won't do it at Auburn? Considering the evidence at hand it would be far more fallacious to assume that he'll suddenly become a model citizen just because he's hired at Auburn. Yes, he has definitely had success every but the NFl, but he's also screwed over every employer he's ever worked for as a head coach. I'm not arguing that he wouldn't have success at Auburn, (his track record renders that argument moot), I just don't believe that the train wreck that his past history suggests he'll leave behind is worth passing over other equally qualified coaching candidates.
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AUALLINWDE said...
If Petrino has done this "same stuff" at every other school he's ever coached, then wouldn't it be far more illogical to assume that he won't do it at Auburn? Considering the evidence at hand it would be far more fallacious to assume that he'll suddenly become a model citizen just because he's hired at Auburn. Yes, he has definitely had success every but the NFl, but he's also screwed over every employer he's ever worked for as a head coach. I'm not arguing that he wouldn't have success at Auburn, (his track record renders that argument moot), I just don't believe that the train wreck that his past history suggests he'll leave behind is worth passing over other equally qualified coaching candidates.
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AUALLINWDE said...
Look, Jon Dennis has already said this better than I can, but since you either didn't read his post or chose to ignore it, then I'll try to sum up as best I can.
To put it simply, there is simply not coach I can name that you will accept as equally or better qualified because in your mind there is no other coach that compares to Petrino. Every time someone mentions any other coach that they would rather have, you dismiss there choices outright for increasingly ludicrous reasons. I can probably name twenty coaches I would rather have, but you'll just tell me that that are either unavailable, coach in crap leagues, haven't had the success Petrino has had, coach in the NFL and know nothing about college football, can't recruit, etc. etc. etc. etc. Ad Nauseum.
And dude, I'm not singling out you. People on both sides are using equally implausible and fallacious reasoning to either bash or praise Petrino. Look, I fully admit that I have an extreme bias against Petrino, but even I admit that he'd probably be a least as successful at Auburn as he was at Arkansas. I admit my bias against him, you need to look in the mirror and admit your bias towards him and allow yourself to at least consider the possibility that there might actually be at least one coach out there that might, MIGHT, be do a better job at Auburn than Petrino.
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