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Pros and Cons of getting rid of amateur rule for NCAA football?

  • You want to simplify recruiting. Pay recruits what the market will bear. You want to get rid of coaches calling 2 times a day, texting 30 times a day, and sending 30 handwritten letters every day? Show recruits the money. Highest bidder wins.

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  • Rbl92 said...

    You want to simplify recruiting. Pay recruits what the market will bear. You want to get rid of coaches calling 2 times a day, texting 30 times a day, and sending 30 handwritten letters every day? Show recruits the money. Highest bidder wins.

    Then college football would just become second-rate pro football and would quickly fade away.

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  • PhillipMarshall said...

    Then college football would just become second-rate pro football and would quickly fade away.

    Phillip, what keeps a high school student from suing the NCAA and NFL for having a system in place (don't know what legal term should be used) in which he is forced to play football for a school that doesn't pay market value in order to pursue his dream of playing pro football?

    Rbl92

  • Rbl92 said...

    Phillip, what keeps a high school student from suing the NCAA and NFL for having a system in place (don't know what legal term should be used) in which he is forced to play football for a school that doesn't pay market value in order to pursue his dream of playing pro football?

    He is not forced to do anything. College football is not in existence to prepare players for the NFL.

    PhillipMarshall

  • PhillipMarshall said...

    He is not forced to do anything. College football is not in existence to prepare players for the NFL.

    I could be wrong. I haven't researched it, but I think a very small percentage of NFL players took a path other than through college to get there. I think a good lawyer could show that there is virtually no other path into the league.

    Rbl92

  • Rbl92 said...

    I could be wrong. I haven't researched it, but I think a very small percentage of NFL players took a path other than through college to get there. I think a good lawyer could show that there is virtually no other path into the league.

    There might not be, but that's not on college football. That would be between a potential player and the NFL. Just because there is no other path to the league certainly doesn't mean that a court could then tell colleges they have to pay players. That doesn't add up at all.

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  • Rbl92 said...

    You want to simplify recruiting. Pay recruits what the market will bear. You want to get rid of coaches calling 2 times a day, texting 30 times a day, and sending 30 handwritten letters every day? Show recruits the money. Highest bidder wins.

    You want to have even MORE parents treating their kids like a walking retirement plan, do away with amateur status. Want to have more kids playing hurt because their family can’t afford for them to not play, do away with amateur status. Want to effectively throw the “education” requirement out the high school window and replace it with a single focus on sports, get rid of amateur status.

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  • ETSJ said...

    You want to have even MORE parents treating their kids like a walking retirement plan, do away with amateur status. Want to have more kids playing hurt because their family can’t afford for them to not play, do away with amateur status. Want to effectively throw the “education” requirement out the high school window and replace it with a single focus on sports, get rid of amateur status.

    My 8 yr old son will be getting an education. I'm pretty sure I'll be struck by lightning before he becomes a professional athlete. But, the kids that have no interest in getting an education, want to be a professional athlete, and are good enough to be recruited by Div 1 football programs: do you think the amateur status helps them? What if they don't make it to the pros? A lot of them don't. They could have at least received payment for the years they worked their tails off playing college ball. Lord knows the colleges are making money off of them. The colleges are willing to pay the coaches crazy money. Why not the players?

    Rbl92

  • Rbl92 said...

    You want to simplify recruiting. Pay recruits what the market will bear. You want to get rid of coaches calling 2 times a day, texting 30 times a day, and sending 30 handwritten letters every day? Show recruits the money. Highest bidder wins.

    Would you pay top dollar for an unproven high school kid that may never pan out?

    This idea is out of left field and should stay there.

    Get this. The avg cost of a four year education is roughly 100K when you total books housing and thing like that it could get much higer. These kids that schools are so called "taking advantage of" are getting a full ride to a school that 99% of their class mates will have to pay for, FOR FREE!

    Not only that they get the chance to showcase their skills every Saturday in the fall. Which equals out to (if they play all 4 years) 48 job interviews with 32 professional organizations. the other kids that are paying their own way do not get this chance. They may get 10-20 interviews through job fairs and things of that nature. But they dont get the chance to set their families up for generations just due to visibility. And they dont get paid for any ideas they come up with in class.

    Paying athletes in college is as wrong as snow in July. They get all expenses paid for. Food, housing, books and tuition. What else do they need money for? Night life? Ipads? Iphones? Car notes?

    I pray that my children get a full ride to any college much less AU. But people continualy argue that they should be paid while all the while ignoring the large amount of money that they are already getting paid via a full ride to a school of their choice.

    From one that had to pay his own way they will get zero sympathy from me. I am 37 and was in my 30s before I got my student loans paid off.... If they make it in their sport....they will have ZERO debt in their FAMILY at about age 22. And the ones that dont make it in the sport they play..Get a degree and a chance at a life without payng student loans back.

    My 2 cents, as usless as they are.

    This post was edited by TheRealRanRob on 1/9/2013 at 11:45 AM

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  • TheRealRanRob said...

    Would you pay top dollar for an unproven high school kid that may never pan out?

    This idea is out of left field and should stay there.

    Get this. The avg cost of a four year education is roughly 100K when you total books housing and thing like that it could get much higer. These kids that schools are so called "taking advantage of" are getting a full ride to a school that 99% of their class mates will have to pay for, FOR FREE!

    Not only that they get the chance to showcase their skills every Saturday in the fall. Which equals out to (if they play all 4 years) 48 job interviews with 32 professional organizations. the other kids that are paying their own way do not get this chance. They may get 10-20 interviews through job fairs and things of that nature. But they dont get the chance to set their families up for generations just due to visibility. And they dont get paid for any ideas they come up with in class.

    Paying athletes in college is as wrong as snow in July. They get all expenses paid for. Food, housing, books and tuition. What else do they need money for? Night life? Ipads? Iphones? Car notes?

    I pray that my children get a full ride to any college much less AU. But people continualy argue that they should be paid while all the while ignoring the large amount of money that they are already getting paid via a full ride to a school of their choice.

    From one that had to pay his own way they will get zero sympathy from me. I am 37 and was in my 30s before I got my student loans paid off.... If they make it in their sport....they will have ZERO debt in their FAMILY at about age 22. And the ones that dont make it in the sport they play..Get a degree and a chance at a life without payng student loans back.

    My 2 cents, as usless as they are.

    I couldn't tell, do you feel strongly about this subject? Kidding. I get your points, but the free market will take care of all of them. If a recruit is only worth a free education, that's what the market will bear. If he is worth more, the market will bear more.

    Rbl92

  • Rbl92 said...

    My 8 yr old son will be getting an education. I'm pretty sure I'll be struck by lightning before he becomes a professional athlete. But, the kids that have no interest in getting an education, want to be a professional athlete, and are good enough to be recruited by Div 1 football programs: do you think the amateur status helps them? What if they don't make it to the pros? A lot of them don't. They could have at least received payment for the years they worked their tails off playing college ball. Lord knows the colleges are making money off of them. The colleges are willing to pay the coaches crazy money. Why not the players?

    Look at it this way... That #5 jersey that is wlaking around campus right now.. was that purchased by a Mike Dyer fan? Or an Auburn university fan?

    Auburn is the reason I go to the games. I hope to see the kids that are getting a free ride for their athletic skill play like they care about AU and about competition and doing it the right way. I have seen 37 years of diff AU players playing AU football or any other sport. I didnt stop buying AU gear because Bo left school. And i didnt buy more because Bo was in school.

    The idea that the only reason the 85K seat stadium is full is due to these kids is wildly short sighted. I am there to see AU. If it means I get to see Caddy and Ronnie or if I get to see this years version of the Tigers... I am still there to see the Tigers... Not just one or some of them...All 85 of them.

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  • TheRealRanRob said...

    Look at it this way... That #5 jersey that is wlaking around campus right now.. was that purchased by a Mike Dyer fan? Or an Auburn university fan?

    Auburn is the reason I go to the games. I hope to see the kids that are getting a free ride for their athletic skill play like they care about AU and about competition and doing it the right way. I have seen 37 years of diff AU players playing AU football or any other sport. I didnt stop buying AU gear because Bo left school. And i didnt buy more because Bo was in school.

    The idea that the only reason the 85K seat stadium is full is due to these kids is wildly short sighted. I am there to see AU. If it means I get to see Caddy and Ronnie or if I get to see this years version of the Tigers... I am still there to see the Tigers... Not just one or some of them...All 85 of them.

    Ok, then there ought to be another path for these guys to get to the NFL other than through college. There ought to be minor league football so that these guys can get drafted out of high school and have a choice as to whether they want to play college football and be compensated with a free education or go straight to the pros and be paid whatever the free market will bear.

    Rbl92

  • Rbl92 said...

    I couldn't tell, do you feel strongly about this subject? Kidding. I get your points, but the free market will take care of all of them. If a recruit is only worth a free education, that's what the market will bear. If he is worth more, the market will bear more.

    That idea would kill all the lower tier schools. They just flatly would not be able to compete at all. And thats not even close to a fair market.

    Should we pay the kids that are on Academic Scholly"s... I would venture to say that they work equally as hard and are held to equally as high of a standard. They just dont strap it up on Sats... They are in a lab or out in teh field doing research for nothing. And the University can use any and all ideas they come up with for free and never pay the student one red cent.

    Its about eqaulity. And the idea that out of high school one kid is not worth more than the other. I mean in your idea..Could we get the money we would have paid for Mike Dyer back? Or the robbery crew? If a kid transfers or wants to does the bidding start all over.

    Too many issues that directly affect eqaulity.

    And yes after working for multiple universities I am very opinonated on this topic.

    If they could come up with a base pay that al student athletes get no matter the sport or school... Then it makes a tad bit more sense. But with economic situation being diff at each university it would start this problem.... IF a kid goes to school in AU and gets 20K a year he could live like a king.. But if a kid was playing for Maryland that 20K has them living like a peasant due to cost of living...So do we increase that pay for COLA? And then does it make Maryladn a more attractivce spot for a highschool kid to go due to his pay rate being so much higer?

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    Ok, then there ought to be another path for these guys to get to the NFL other than through college. There ought to be minor league football so that these guys can get drafted out of high school and have a choice as to whether they want to play college football and be compensated with a free education or go straight to the pros and be paid whatever the free market will bear.

    I agree with that idea. Its the way baseball has been for years.

    Difference is that the kid out of high school can be physicaly ready for baseball..But would you put a 18 year old kid against the Broncos right now? Say he was a DB and now he is facing Peyton Manning.. He isnt ready for that and not even close.

    But in baseball the kid may be a Ian Desmond and can play middle infield and has a good bat but weighs in at 190. Physicality of the game is not an issue in basbeall... ANd it is in football. So that would make the route through college more usefull so they could grow in to their bodies and become more physicaly mature.

    Look at what it has done to the NBA. It is now a watered down version of itself. To many kids jumping right to the NBA and 85% of them never get it done or are complete busts. Kobie, KG and those guys are exceptions... Not the rule. And the NBA is terrible outside of the power teams.

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  • TheRealRanRob said...

    That idea would kill all the lower tier schools. They just flatly would not be able to compete at all. And thats not even close to a fair market.

    Should we pay the kids that are on Academic Scholly"s... I would venture to say that they work equally as hard and are held to equally as high of a standard. They just dont strap it up on Sats... They are in a lab or out in teh field doing research for nothing. And the University can use any and all ideas they come up with for free and never pay the student one red cent.

    Its about eqaulity. And the idea that out of high school one kid is not worth more than the other. I mean in your idea..Could we get the money we would have paid for Mike Dyer back? Or the robbery crew? If a kid transfers or wants to does the bidding start all over.

    Too many issues that directly affect eqaulity.

    And yes after working for multiple universities I am very opinonated on this topic.

    If they could come up with a base pay that al student athletes get no matter the sport or school... Then it makes a tad bit more sense. But with economic situation being diff at each university it would start this problem.... IF a kid goes to school in AU and gets 20K a year he could live like a king.. But if a kid was playing for Maryland that 20K has them living like a peasant due to cost of living...So do we increase that pay for COLA? And then does it make Maryladn a more attractivce spot for a highschool kid to go due to his pay rate being so much higer?

    I'm fine with the lower tier schools dropping football if they can't keep up.

    Schools do pay students on academic schollies if they are worth it. Auburn paid me to get a Master's there. If they wouldn't have, another university would have. It's called free market. I was free to go to any school I wanted and because of my academic record I was in demand. I was not forced to sit out a year of school if I transferred to another. I was not told I had to maintain my amateur student status to remain a student.

    I never said that one recruit wouldn't be worth more than another. In fact, I've said the opposite. Each recruit would be worth what the market would bear.

    I know this will never happen. I started this post for fun. I think there are some pros to the proposal and I'm sure there would be some unintended consequences. Heck, it might kill college football as PM suggests. Who knows.

    Rbl92

  • Rbl92 said...

    I'm fine with the lower tier schools dropping football if they can't keep up.

    Schools do pay students on academic schollies if they are worth it. Auburn paid me to get a Master's there. If they wouldn't have, another university would have. It's called free market. I was free to go to any school I wanted and because of my academic record I was in demand. I was not forced to sit out a year of school if I transferred to another. I was not told I had to maintain my amateur student status to remain a student.

    I never said that one recruit wouldn't be worth more than another. In fact, I've said the opposite. Each recruit would be worth what the market would bear.

    I know this will never happen. I started this post for fun. I think there are some pros to the proposal and I'm sure there would be some unintended consequences. Heck, it might kill college football as PM suggests. Who knows.

    I get your point. ANd as stated you see mine.

    I think the pitfalls are too great to ever do this process. However, the ncaa should drop all this "sit out a year" crap. If a school can fire a coach and get a new one. then the kids should be able to go where they want with no penalty.

    And lets be honest. The NCAA cant even police the issues they have now. Start adding weekly paychecks to student athletes to that list, and you now have a veritable pandoras box of issues that they will control poorly and fowl up on a weekly basis.

    Hypothetical. I am Johnny Golden Arm (sorry PM) and saban offeres me 10% more than AU. So I go there. When I get my first check it is not what they told me it was going to be. Can I transfer? Or I find out that they are paying my back-up more because while I was a 3* he is a 5*. Can I now hold out for more $.. I am the starter and all.

    Yikes. Even the thought of this stuff scares the life out of me. Who could out bid the bamas, tosu's, USCw of the world?

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  • TheRealRanRob said...

    I get your point. ANd as stated you see mine.

    I think the pitfalls are too great to ever do this process. However, the ncaa should drop all this "sit out a year" crap. If a school can fire a coach and get a new one. then the kids should be able to go where they want with no penalty.

    And lets be honest. The NCAA cant even police the issues they have now. Start adding weekly paychecks to student athletes to that list, and you now have a veritable pandoras box of issues that they will control poorly and fowl up on a weekly basis.

    Hypothetical. I am Johnny Golden Arm (sorry PM) and saban offeres me 10% more than AU. So I go there. When I get my first check it is not what they told me it was going to be. Can I transfer? Or I find out that they are paying my back-up more because while I was a 3* he is a 5*. Can I now hold out for more $.. I am the starter and all.

    Yikes. Even the thought of this stuff scares the life out of me. Who could out bid the bamas, tosu's, USCw of the world?

    There are a lot of cons I guess or at least a lot of things that would have to be worked out. Contracts would be involved to take care of your hypothetical. The main pro would be getting the NCAA out of legislating and enforcing recruiting and recruiting rules. If your program could get a kid to sign a contract to play for your school by offering whatever you wanted to, then he would be your employee until the terms of the contract were fulfilled. If you got down to a small enough number of teams, you could have a draft. Then, like PM says, you are just a less talented version of the NFL and might kill college football altogether. Who knows. I think the NCAA is a joke and I like to think of ways to get rid of them. I have some ideas for the IRS also.

    This post was edited by Rbl92 on 1/9/2013 at 1:37 PM

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