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#PMARSHONAU: High expectations are the Auburn way

  • At this point I'm willing to let Gus hire a new AD. He seems better at getting top flight coaches to the Plains than anyone else.

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  • PhillipMarshall said...

    http://auburn.247sports.com/Article/High-expecations-are-the-Auburn-way-119394

    Winning is hard, but Auburn can rebound from a disheartening year on the field and on the court.

    Coaches come coaches go but the AD is the same with the same results. The solution is obvious and there must be a culture change within the AD. The AD must go. Could JJ survive in Fortune 100 company with these results? No.

    If JJ worked for Jack Welch or Tim Cook would he be fired? Yes. If the School of Engineering consistently placed at the bottom of engineering schools in the SEC would the Dean be replaced? Yes. Why should Jacobs continue to get a pass?

    Incidentally how many competent AD's would hire a 5-19 coach on a 10 game losing streak to compete against the best coach in football? Take Cam out of 2010 and you have another 7-5 season.

    DyeFan

  • OK, folks, I'm close to being ready to give up. I can't write anything about Auburn's current situation without people who really have no clue what they are talking about accusing me of standing up for a "friend." This column was about expectations, about concerns about coaches who don't have high expectations. It wasn't about Jay Jacobs at all. If you have read what I've written you know that I do not ever call for anyone to be fired.. Period. End of story. I don't do it. I won't do it. I also don't base opinions on supposed friendships. Honestly, I'm growing very tired of having my credibility and integrity attacked in that way. It's not true. It's never been true. Anyone who says it is true is either uninformed or lying.

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  • PM - your partial statement "must be held accountable and must be unceremoniously kicked out the door. Maybe that’s true and maybe it’s not" The part I advocate is "must be held accountable". This can be accomplished without the addition of "and must be unceremoniously kicked out the door".

    A4D-2

    johncook34

  • Righty1975 said...

    I don't like our AD very much and really haven't since he was hired. That is more of a personality thing for me though. I personally believe that we have good coaches at all 3 major sports right now and that we are just going through a funk in the athletic program. It happens sometimes. I have seen other great programs go through similar times in my lifetime. We will survive and be back. I'm not ready to fire any coaches. I believe Barbee is building and Paw is still retooling his team adjusting to those stupid bats. In case everybody forgot, we had to completely change philosophies a couple of years ago and start recruiting differently because of equipment changes of all things. Lets give everybody a little more time. Firing CGC was the right move. He completely lost his team and I don't think that was fixable. I think we made a great football hire. I truly believe in 3 years, we will be having a much different conversation about Auburn Athletics.

    All college baseball teams had to adjust to small ball not just AU.

    A4D-2

    johncook34

  • johncook34 said...

    PM - your partial statement "must be held accountable and must be unceremoniously kicked out the door. Maybe that’s true and maybe it’s not" The part I advocate is "must be held accountable". This can be accomplished without the addition of "and must be unceremoniously kicked out the door".

    Anyone is free to disagree with my opinion of anything. I'm certainly not afraid of that. What is out of control if this notion, started God knows where, that I have some kind of special relationship that is causing me to write what I write. That's a bogus notion. It's not true, has never been true and will never be true. Anyone who says they know it is true is not telling the truth. Whether someone has the opinion Jay Jacobs should be fired or shouldn't be or whatever is fine with me. Constantly questioning my integrity and credibility because I don't say Jay Jacobs or anyone else should be fired is not fine with me.

    This post was edited by PhillipMarshall on 3/3/2013 at 11:48 AM

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  • aufan89 said...

    Here's how it goes people regardless of how anyone else explains it. JJ was a hand picked puppet from the very beginning by Bobby Lowder. Bobby didn't need a competent AD, he made all the important AD decisions. Bobby would discuss these matters with a few other people, ie, Pat Dye, Jimmy Rane etc, and then have his puppet execute his plan. JJ would have never been hired in a straight up fashion over other, more qualified applicants, period. So now that Bobby has been removed, you have a huge vacuum left with people trying to take charge, ie Earlon Mcwhatsihisname,, and no one truly leading. So yes, the whole house needs to be cleaned, all the way to the goofy Pres.

    You got it! The good ole boy network does it again. Put a lightweight in the job and get lightweight results.

    A4D-2

    johncook34

  • PhillipMarshall said...

    Anyone is free to disagree with my opinion of anything. I'm certainly not afraid of that. What is out of control if this notion, started God knows where, that I have some kind of special relationship that is causing me to write what I write. That's a bogus notion. It's not true, has never been true and will never be true. Anyone who says they know it is true is not telling the truth. Whether someone has the opinion Jay Jacobs should be fired or shouldn't be or whatever is fine with me. Constantly questioning my integrity and credibility because I don't say Jay Jacobs or anyone else should be fired is not fine with me.

    Maybe people got that impression from your actions (deleting all threads that called for Jacobs to be fired, not allowing petitions, etc...) rather than your words.

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  • PhillipMarshall said...

    Anyone is free to disagree with my opinion of anything. I'm certainly not afraid of that. What is out of control if this notion, started God knows where, that I have some kind of special relationship that is causing me to write what I write. That's a bogus notion. It's not true, has never been true and will never be true. Anyone who says they know it is true is not telling the truth. Whether someone has the opinion Jay Jacobs should be fired or shouldn't be or whatever is fine with me. Constantly questioning my integrity and credibility because I don't say Jay Jacobs or anyone else should be fired is not fine with me.

    PM my statement in no way accuses you of anything and I for one don't believe that you have one biased bone in your body and fully believe in your high standard of reporting and in your editorials. I have never and will never question your integrity or honesty. If I had questions I would not be on this board. I came to this board because of you. I used to go al.com just to read your articles in Huntsville. Thank you for your work.

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  • Excpectations, opinion s, are so,detimes grpss;y inmappropriaye.

    AU49

  • AU49 said...

    Excpectations, opinion s, are so,detimes grpss;y inmappropriaye.

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  • It's kinda obvious that the fire JJ notion is not going to change until it happens.........period. The one thing I'm sure of is this: the longer our teams (all of them) continue to lose the harder it's going to be to 'get it back.' I don't believe anyone can dispute that statement.

    bsmith1

  • Augray said...

    I you had read any of my previous posts, you would have seen that I never blamed JJ for an individual loss. I blame JJ for the overall state of the program. There are plenty of quality leaders that would love to be Auburn's AD. I do not think that Auburn would have any trouble finding a good AD. I want a AD that is a visionary, a dynamic leader and somebody that will do whatever it takes to win and I'm not referring to breaking any rules. JJ does not seem fully committed to winning. He hired a 5-19 coach because he was his buddy, not because he was qualified for the job. He has been known to run off great coaches that are worldly renowned, such as David Marsh. I thought that PD was a great AD because he had the guts to move the Iron Bowl to Auburn, which was a bold move. He also knew that playing at Legion Field was to bama's advantage and he put Auburn on a level playing field with bama. He hired Hal Baird, which turned out to be a great hire for the baseball program. Our basketball program was always competive during the 80's and always made postseason play. JJ has hired 5 major coaches since he's been at Auburn, 1 was just fired, 2 are on the hot seat, and 2 are in their first season. Auburn people shoud NEVER want just a winning season, Auburn people should always have championship expectations. You can bury your head in the sand all that want (if that makes you feel better), but JJ has proven that he is an inadequate leader and that Auburn would be a lot better off without him.

    You make some very good points, Augray. Good enough to change my mind a little bit. Mal Moore made the big hire with Saban. Everyone said he paid too much. As it turned out, Saban's hire was a tremendously good investment. Auburn has never made the "big hire". Every coach has been an up-and-comer, with some never quite getting there. Pat Dye from Wyoming via East Carolina and Tuberville from Ole Miss were both risky hires that turned out okay. But, Auburn has never shelled out the big bucks to hire a National Championship coach. Auburn has spent gazillions on facilities and even coaches, but Auburn has never taken the big leap and hired a proven coach away from a major program. After thinking about it awhile, maybe you are right. JJ may not be a large enough figure to lead Auburn trustees, President, and big donors toward the idea that you must think big. Auburn people want change, and I believe that change must come from leaders above JJ's pay grade. Sometimes, if you want excellence, you have to pay for it. Thanks for your good comments.

    OldTiger

  • I don't think I'v e heard as immature comment as today. When the national interest was best expressed by men working on the most wildass engineering progam imagined by the best of us, going to the moon and back, men from Auburn University did more that their part. There wasn't a football coach or player in the vonBraun conference room when disaster threatened the program. There were Auburn men, who had little time for whineing and stepped up to their responsibilities. The school; president wasn't installed to make sure our entertainment was bright and polished.And it wouldn't hurt to remember that Auburn Men are not led by any journalist. Calm your tantrums, the men in charge will get it back on track thankfully without the very poor advice of our loudest fan.

    AU49

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    wilsonbob

  • AU49 said...

    I don't think I'v e heard as immature comment as today. When the national interest was best expressed by men working on the most wildass engineering progam imagined by the best of us, going to the moon and back, men from Auburn University did more that their part. There wasn't a football coach or player in the vonBraun conference room when disaster threatened the program. There were Auburn men, who had little time for whineing and stepped up to their responsibilities. The school; president wasn't installed to make sure our entertainment was bright and polished.And it wouldn't hurt to remember that Auburn Men are not led by any journalist. Calm your tantrums, the men in charge will get it back on track thankfully without the very poor advice of our loudest fan.

    You lost me there, what has putting a man safely on the moon and bringing him home safely by the end of the decade got to do with JJ?

    wilsonbob

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    PhillipMarshall

  • AU49 said...

    Excpectations, opinion s, are so,detimes grpss;y inmappropriaye.

    Are you ok?

    golong

  • I hear ya Phillip but not expecting to finish in the bottom third of the conference in the money sports is not a high expectation, just a reasonable one.

    henrytw2