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John Bond quote, the FBI, and more about Kenny Rogers

  • There is a quote from a while back that has stood out to me for a while.

    When it was made known that Bond had met with the FBI, it was asked of him why they wanted talk to him.

    His response was, "THEY DON'T WANT PEOPLE SHOPPING CHILDREN AROUND FOR THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS".

    To me, this always pointed to Kenny Rogers, not Cecil Newton. Of course our insightful media members looked right past it, and if anything, just ignorantly and lazily attached it to Cecil Newton.

    But look at what it actually says. And look at what it does NOT say.

    It does NOT say, "they don't want people shopping THEIR CHILD around for thousands of dollars".

    It does NOT say, "they don't want someone shopping THEIR SON around for thousands of dollars".

    Yes, I know its focusing on semantics, which can be a dangerous proposition.

    But if you couple Bond's words with Rogers' actions, I think it's clear that Bond was referring to Kenny Rogers, not Cecil Newton.
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    Below are a couple characters and who they claim to be. Let's compare what a reasonable person would do in their shoes, and then we'll look at what the actual characters did (admittedly) in real life.

    KENNY ROGERS: You're a do-gooder ex-football player who helps troubled D-1 players find new life at D-II schools and other D-1 programs after coming out of JUCO. This is your life's work. You are a mentor, an expert at guiding them through this difficult time....helping them onto the straight and narrow as they look for new life at a program willing take them and their "baggage".

    BILL BELL: You own a construction company in Florida. You are a legit business man that has nothing to do with recruits at the University where you played football. Essentially, you're just a regular guy.

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    IMAGINARY ROLE PLAY:

    YOU ARE KENNY ROGERS:

    The father of new player you are "helping" states that he would need money for his son to sign with MSU. Money to the tune of $180,000.

    What do YOU do if you are the Kenny Rogers described above?

    You immediately and clearly make it known to Cecil Newton that you won't be able to assist him with something like that. Aside from the fact that it's just wrong, you can't afford to be associated with anything like that because of the nature of your occupation. Essentially, the response is, "sorry, I just can't help with something like that".

    YOU ARE BILL BELL:

    Out of the blue, your phone rings. It's an old teammate of yours, Kenny Rogers. He lets you know that he's with the father of a prospective recruit of MSU's football team. He proceeds to tell you that the father is requesting $180,000 for his son's signature.

    What do YOU do if you are the Bill Bell described above?

    The first question you ask is...."why are you calling me?". Then you clearly and somewhat forcefully explain that you will have no part of any such requests. I would think that you would even make known to Rogers your intent to call Greg Byrne, the MSU athletic director immediately, in order to make sure he knows one of his recruits is make such requests. (your assumption would be that MSU would want to know such information so they can sever ties with the young man and his father). And then you would end the conversation with a request to not be contacted again for such matters.

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    REAL LIFE:

    Let's now look at how the real Kenny Rogers and Bill Bell handled these scenarios...

    KENNY ROGERS:

    Cecil Newton requests that Rogers get money for him to sign with MSU (Rogers version). So, in spite of the fact that he has nothing to gain, and his career and national reputation would be permanently in jeopardy, he agrees to make some calls on your behalf. He doesn't simply get you a number or make some suggestions....he actually makes the call himself.

    He then does all the talking, negotiating, and even texts a payment plan....all without getting anything in return. He is able, through connections, to get Cecil into multiple three-way calls with someone he feels can provide the money, essentially acting as a broker in cash deal.

    BILL BELL:

    Bell gets a call from former teammate Kenny Rogers. Rogers explains that he is calling on behalf of Cecil Newton, the father of an MSU recruit. He learns that Cecil is requesting $180,000 and Rogers thought Bell might be the man to call. Though the details aren't completely clear, we know that after learning this, Bell proceeds to have "multiple three-way calls" with Rogers and Cecil Newton. We also know that enough of a discussion took place that Rogers felt he should call Bell later to find out "if the deal is going to go through".

    Now go back to the responses where YOU were role playing as Rogers and Bell, and compare that to the REAL life Rogers and Bell. Do the actions of Kenny Rogers and Bill Bell in REAL LIFE remotely match-up with who they claim to be? Read who they claim to be, then read how they handled themselves in the real life situation they found themselves in. Doesn't add up in the least.

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    ADDITIONAL ROGERS INFORMATION -

    Earlier this year the NFL Players Association issued a letter to Ian Greengross, an agent in Chicago. The letter outlined 17 violations regarding his standing as a licensed NFLPA agent. It should be noted that of the 17 violations, only 2 pertained to actions committed by Greengross himself.

    The other 15 violations were actions committed by Kenny Rogers, a paid employee of Greengross ($2000 per month). Among the 15 violations is the accusation that Rogers has repeatedly lied about being an NFLPA agent. Players such as Daniel Manning, Trevard Lindley, Trindon Holiday, and Brandon LeFell are among those to whom he made such claims. Rogers says that he claimed to be a member of the “NFLPA retired players”. However, no such organization exists.

    The NFLPA executive director DeMaurice Smith says that Rogers actions fall outside their jurisdiction, but that they are looking strongly into taking action in the matter and will "consider whether there's any criminal violation".

    Now take this whole picture into account...I think it's abundantly clear who is "shopping children around for thousands of dollars".

    I think this is why the FBI is looking into the whole situation. Rogers actions may be outside that of the NFLPA, but they certainly aren't beyond that of the FBI (especially things like calling Bill Bell and asking for money....federal offense right there). I think the NFLPA may have made a request to the FBI to investigate such matters since they have no such power to do so themselves. Also, the FBI can start an investigation into any high profile case they want. They may have been aware of Rogers previously and just decided to get involved as the Cam Newton side of things became national headline (high profile) news.

    And so the saga continues.....

    This post has been edited 9 times, most recently by jadennis on 11/23/2010 at 4:48 PM

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  • WHY THIS IS IMPORTANT TO AUBURN IN THE BIG PICTURE.

    Who knows exactly what the NCAA will determine in regards to Cam's eligibility. But the truth is, Cam will come and go, and all of us that are Auburn will be left with our great University's name scarred and crippled with the label of "cheaters".

    However, if it's proven that Kenny Rogers is behind the request for money, then it changes everything for Auburn.

    If everyone believes Cecil is demanding the money from MSU, they will believe until they die that he also demanded it of Auburn. They will then always believe, no matter what the NCAA says, that someone on Auburn's behalf must have paid. Honestly, this is sound reasoning. Who can blame people for making that assumption. If I'm selling drugs to a kid on one street corner, isn't is safe to assume I'm selling to a kid on another street corner too?

    However, if Rogers is behind the demand for money, it's reasonable to assume he only demanded it from his contacts and friends at MSU. Rogers has already stated that he has never had any contact with anyone from Auburn. If Rogers tried to get money from Bell and failed, then the story is over. No money changed hands on behalf of MSU and Cam went to Auburn instead.

    End of story.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by jadennis on 11/23/2010 at 4:53 PM

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  • Well Ciel has said we asked for the money so KR maybe knee deep into selling players but AU needs to worry about AU.

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  • AUhomer said...

    Well Ciel has said we asked for the money so KR maybe knee deep into selling players but AU needs to worry about AU.

    Almost correct....it's been reported that Cecil as admitted to "having talks about money".

    He has never admitted (that we are aware of) that HE asked for it....meaning, he has never admitted that he initiated or instigated the discussion, only that he did partake in such talks.

    Again, I think this is very important. If he initiated the talks on his own with MSU, it's reasonable to expect he initiated such talks with someone involved with Auburn as well.

    If he simply went along with Rogers in Rogers' dealings with his MSU buddies, then that doesn't carry over to any assumptions on the part of Auburn being involved in similar dealings.

    Right now everyone has the origination of the money talks associated with Cecil, which is why it's inherently associated with Auburn. If the origination shifts to Rogers, then there is no inherent association with Auburn, as Rogers, Bell, etc are all MSU guys.

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  • jadennis, thanks for the post. It is as plausible as anything I have heard or read.

    NewWarEagleDad

  • KR has a history of "first contact" - just google the story about the former Alabama A&M player (who transferred from Florida). KR not only contacted his family, he did it often, talked him out of transferring to Jacksonville State University, told him he'd be eligible to play the full year, so he signs with A&M and oops, guess what, not eligibile for six games into the season. Then after graduation the player talks with a sports agent who has a good reputation, and here comes Rogers again, says all kinds of bad things about the agent, gets him to sign with his guy, and did they help him? No. Whether he was a good draft candidate or not I have no idea but according to him, that firm screwed up his draft and signing. He warns all college players to stay away from Rogers and whomever is associated with him because he's scum and he's trouble. After reading that story, I had no doubt that my gut reaction to the breaking of this whole story was that KR contacted Cecil, not the other way around, and KR did all the talking and such. Cecil should have walked away - but Cam did want to go to MSU initially and he was checking the school out as a result of his wishes.

    As for the media, and haters' posts, we the Auburn Family, have been tarred and feathered. Its just amazing to me how short sighted all these people are that they so soon forget the transgressions of their own schools, how quickly the media forgets that much worse has been done by other schools. As the article on Bleacher Reports said, we are the Rodney Dangerfield of college sports. We get no respect. We never have and we never will until people realize that Auburn is a great university and produces great people who treat our sick, our injured, who build our nation, who make a better place for all they come in contact with. I've known this all my life, and I grew up with a dad who was a Bama fan - but I went with the better school in my support :)

    I must say I did like someone's post on another article board - Honk if you've coached for Bama. NS best be careful - I hear some are already calling for his head cause he lost two games. I've always found that kinda sad, not giving a coach the support you should. Only until they prove to be ineffective should they be replaced.

    Sorry - I got to rambling on multiple topics at once lol. FYI - the Havoc in my name is the name of my hockey team - not in reference to the alleged clouds over Auburn :) Its sunny and bright in Auburn every day!

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  • Here is a link to the story of Rogers and Michael Brown. I forgot to mention that in my initial post when sharing more Rogers information.

    http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=rivals-1151578

    This post was edited by jadennis on 11/23/2010 at 5:01 PM

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  • As I've posted before, I think we need to quit talking about the issue period. We are keeping it going worrying about it.

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  • Jadennis.....

    How close are you thinking my opinion was from almost two weeks ago now? I've seen nothing that moves me from those thoughts.

    Fact is, there have been NO new issues since that opinion was written outside of simple rumor mongering.

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