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  • AU mac said...

    http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/gamelog/_/id/480206/trent-richardson

    He ran up 89 and 96 against arguably the best defense in the country and 181 against a good Florida D. He also ran for 203 against us , and any time you run for 1600 yards in the SEC it's great numbers. It's not like he is a straight block and can't move at all. He has damn good moves for a guy his size. If he were to play for Auburn you honestly wouldn't be nit picking at stuff like this. He is a great back plain and simple.

    I get your point. However....

    Fla was not a good defense last year..Plain and simple. So 181 is good.

    But if we are looking at what he is projecting in the NFL...Compare Cam getting over 200+ on the number one defense in the COUNTRY that year....To Trent getting 89- 96 against the best denfeses...Everybody knew both would run but one was unstopable and the other could be contained. And one was A QB.

    So if we take that 89-96 agaisnt the great defenses he is not looking to get more than 50-60 yds against PRO DEFENSES. And with him Being a Brown and having to play against Baltimore Pittsburg he is gonna get shut down.

    Thats what I base my comments on. Now ALL DEFENSES have great speed and talent to burn..You are now as Ray Ray said A ROOKIE...And the comaprisons to AP and Ladanian Tomlinson are just hot air at this point. There is no way that he holds a candle to them right now. Now I could and have been very wrong in the past. But if you really look at the GREAT backs that have come out in the last few years...Arian Foster+better than Rent...Chris Johnson= BEtter than Trent. Now they didnt get the hype comming out because they didnt have a script A on their helmet....But now he is wearing an ORange Helmet and is going to be asked to tote the rock more than he ever did at bama against teams that are WAY better than what he faced in college.

    Thats all im sayin. I think you are saying that I dont feel like he was great in collge which is untrue..I think we a beast and did a great job in college...BUt going into the pros he could very well be "Average". Thats what my point is.

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  • TheRealRanRob said...

    I get your point. However....

    Fla was not a good defense last year..Plain and simple. So 181 is good.

    But if we are looking at what he is projecting in the NFL...Compare Cam getting over 200+ on the number one defense in the COUNTRY that year....To Trent getting 89- 96 against the best denfeses...Everybody knew both would run but one was unstopable and the other could be contained. And one was A QB.

    So if we take that 89-96 agaisnt the great defenses he is not looking to get more than 50-60 yds against PRO DEFENSES. And with him Being a Brown and having to play against Baltimore Pittsburg he is gonna get shut down.

    Thats what I base my comments on. Now ALL DEFENSES have great speed and talent to burn..You are now as Ray Ray said A ROOKIE...And the comaprisons to AP and Ladanian Tomlinson are just hot air at this point. There is no way that he holds a candle to them right now. Now I could and have been very wrong in the past. But if you really look at the GREAT backs that have come out in the last few years...Arian Foster+better than Rent...Chris Johnson= BEtter than Trent. Now they didnt get the hype comming out because they didnt have a script A on their helmet....But now he is wearing an ORange Helmet and is going to be asked to tote the rock more than he ever did at bama against teams that are WAY better than what he faced in college.

    Thats all im sayin. I think you are saying that I dont feel like he was great in collge which is untrue..I think we a beast and did a great job in college...BUt going into the pros he could very well be "Average". Thats what my point is.

    Also....203 against our kids is a good day for a great back....Not a great day...We couldnt tackle a 14 yro last year and it showed int he highlight reel they showed of him...I mean I counted 8 Tigers on the ground during ONE RUN...

    Just a little perspective. Doing that against our weak defense last year would result in him geting 100+ on a really bad NFL team defense.

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  • AU mac said...

    I will not down Jim Brown because he was one of the greatest ever, but I think he is wrong on this one. I know I will get a barrage of downvotes for this, but Trent is anything but average. Maybe there is something I'm missing, but I would ask anyone who disagrees to point out a glaring weakness. He is a strength freak, has good speed, and great vision. Even all the experts say he is the best runningback to come out since Adrian Peterson.

    I think he is twice the back that Mark Ingram is and I think that will show. I don't really get how anyone could really call him average.

    He'll be a solid NFL back. He's no A Peterson. Peterson could take it to the house from anywhere on the field at any time. Trent doesn't put that kind of pressure on a defense. Trent will grind out yards when his team needs to run clock. He'll have the occasional really good 25 yrd run when the defense is gambling trying to get the ball back. I suspect he'll be a slightly above average NFL back. He can have a good career if he continues to work hard and avoids injury.

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  • TheRealRanRob said...

    I get your point. However....

    Fla was not a good defense last year..Plain and simple. So 181 is good.

    http://content.usatoday.com/sportsdata/football/ncaaf/stats/team-total-defense

    #9 in total defense isn't good anymore? Florida was damn good defensively... Their offense was just terribly anemic and caused them to lose games.

    AU mac

  • TheRealRanRob said...

    So if we take that 89-96 agaisnt the great defenses he is not looking to get more than 50-60 yds against PRO DEFENSES. And with him Being a Brown and having to play against Baltimore Pittsburg he is gonna get shut down.

    Your logic here doesn't make any sense either. It's not just the other teams he will be facing that will be better. His teammates and he himself will be and get better as well. You can spin it any way you want, but there is no denying Trent was a great college back and has the potential to be a great pro back as well. Will his game definitely translate to the NFL? No, but only time will tell. No one can say for absolute certainty what he will do, but to call him an ordinary or average back is ignorance.

    AU mac

  • TheRealRanRob said...

    I get your point. However....

    Fla was not a good defense last year..Plain and simple. So 181 is good.

    But if we are looking at what he is projecting in the NFL...Compare Cam getting over 200+ on the number one defense in the COUNTRY that year....To Trent getting 89- 96 against the best denfeses...Everybody knew both would run but one was unstopable and the other could be contained. And one was A QB.

    So if we take that 89-96 agaisnt the great defenses he is not looking to get more than 50-60 yds against PRO DEFENSES. And with him Being a Brown and having to play against Baltimore Pittsburg he is gonna get shut down.

    Thats what I base my comments on. Now ALL DEFENSES have great speed and talent to burn..You are now as Ray Ray said A ROOKIE...And the comaprisons to AP and Ladanian Tomlinson are just hot air at this point. There is no way that he holds a candle to them right now. Now I could and have been very wrong in the past. But if you really look at the GREAT backs that have come out in the last few years...Arian Foster+better than Rent...Chris Johnson= BEtter than Trent. Now they didnt get the hype comming out because they didnt have a script A on their helmet....But now he is wearing an ORange Helmet and is going to be asked to tote the rock more than he ever did at bama against teams that are WAY better than what he faced in college.

    Thats all im sayin. I think you are saying that I dont feel like he was great in collge which is untrue..I think we a beast and did a great job in college...BUt going into the pros he could very well be "Average". Thats what my point is.

    Trying to compare Trent to Cam is a stretch as well. Cam touches the ball on every snap and made big runs on busted plays. He also has the ability to pass or throw on any down. Far different than handing the ball off to a guy 20 times.

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  • AU mac said...

    Your logic here doesn't make any sense either. It's not just the other teams he will be facing that will be better. His teammates and he himself will be and get better as well. You can spin it any way you want, but there is no denying Trent was a great college back and has the potential to be a great pro back as well. Will his game definitely translate to the NFL? No, but only time will tell. No one can say for absolute certainty what he will do, but to call him an ordinary or average back is ignorance.

    That was the point....

    The otehr team wont have a couple gusy that are great they will have a whole team that is great and super talented. Rent will have pros around him as well. But with the RB you have to be a one man show. Make plays when theline doesnt get the blocks. And I just feel like I saw him either break free or get stopped in the backfield. We will see right!

    And i dont really pay attention to rankings on defense. Except for points allowed. And to be honest WE beat them....Now that says somehting for your defense...The rest of the above average defenses last year made us look like kids out there. Fla we looked on par with like we could play with them.....But yes #9 is good...

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