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It's not the REC, the media-love, the refs, or the steriods...

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    jadennis

  • As usual, I agree with you. If we want to play "big boy football" then take a look at what the big boys are doing and get to doing it. I think a great place for us to begin would be to instill some discipline the likes of which these players have never seen. If they don't like it, so be it. Let the ones who don't like it leave if they don't want to conform. Recruit the best players and then don't allow them to become prima donnas, make men out of them. If they don't want to conform to the program, find some who will.

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  • jadennis said...

    It's Nick Saban.

    I've been thinking the same thing that panic posted earlier....

    Auburn fans need to just get on board with the reality that Alabama is dominating college football right now. Does that suck to spell out that plainly? Sure. But it makes it no less true. Reality is what it is.

    We can sit around here, and month after month, season after season, waste our time trying to blame everything from the REC and ESPN, to Finebaum, to the refs, or steriods....NONE of which explain away the reality of the success they are having.

    Alabama has some built in advantages with their history and support within the state. But beyond that, they aren't much different than any of the other top programs like Texas, Ohio State, Oklahoma, USC, etc.

    Blame the media? The media loves ANY team that is a big time name and is winning. They'll love USC, then Texas, then Alabama...it doesn't matter to them who it is. You have to win first to get the love. They can cover you all day and night and you can still suck (see Notre Dame). The media loving you doesn't guarantee victory.

    Blame the REC? I know Auburn fans will claim all kinds of theories on that one...some true, some aren't, at least not these days. But don't we hear similar stories at other programs? They've been accused. We've been accused. Almost every other program has been accused.

    The fact is, at the the end of the day, they get great recruits, just like Texas, just like Florida, just like FSU, just like Georgia....and often, just like us. That doesn't guarantee victory.

    Steroids? Today's popular accusation. Anyone ever look closely at Michael Goggans? How about Mario Fannin? Trey Mason? Craig Sanders? Eltoro Freeman? Craig Stevens? Ronnie Brown? How about players from all the other SEC teams? I didn't see Alabama throwing around Texas A&M or LSU or Georgia. Just because Notre Dame fielded a JV squad last night doesn't suddenly mean Alabama must be the ONE team in college sports using steroids.

    So what is it? Why are they winning?

    Well, can we consider that it might actually be that Nick Saban is just as great as he seems to be? Can we manage to accept that he is very, very good at what he does? Can we just respect that he, as annoying as it may be, and as big of an ass as he may be while doing it, is very good at running a program that instills discipline, develops talent, maintains incredible focus, breeds "team" unity, and results in incredible success?

    Why do we feel the need to make excuses? Are we that affected? Is our world so fragile that admitting and respecting their success would cause too much mental anguish, so instead, we have to rationalize it away and drag it down with excuses? Enjoy it? No way. Diminish it to make ourselves feel better? Lame.

    Nick Saban got to Michigan State and found the program under NCAA sanctions in his second year due to violations from the previous coaching staff. He won 6 or 7 games each of the first few years, then won 10 his last season there (one of the four ever at MSU). His teams went 1-11 against ranked teams to start his tenure, but then ended 8-5 against ranked teams from there on out. He was 2-1 against Top 5 teams his last two years there. (that's 2 of their 10 all-time)

    Saban arrived at LSU on the heels of 4-7 and 3-8 seasons. They went 8-4 in year one, 10-3 in year two. With three full classes under his belt, he went 13-1 and won a national title. (most wins in school history by 3).

    Saban then walked into Alabama after they had been up and down, with lots of down, struggled to a 7-6 season to start, and has now rattled off a 61-7 record in the last five years with three titles.

    If you combine all the coaches in the last 25 years at Florida, Texas, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Michigan, Ohio State, Georgia, LSU, Auburn, Tennessee, USC, Alabama, Penn State, and Florida State, you get 65 men who have led some of the best programs in history. 65.

    There have been some great ones, like Bowden, Spurrier, Carroll, Osborne, etc. But out of 65 coaches at the nations best programs, for a five year period, there are only a handful that can even beg legitimate comparison with what Saban has done the last five years.

    And it's NOT just because he's at Alabama. It's not because the media loves them. It's not because of steroids. It's not because of some favorable calls by the refs.

    He's done what he's done because he's him. The others didn't do what he's done, because they aren't.

    It's pretty much that simple.

    And every Auburn fan breathing on earth would be better off to accept that reality and turn their focus and joy back to what Auburn football is doing, and not live our football lives wasting time and killing joy by making excuses for how Alabama hasn't actually been as good as they seem. (run-on sentence of the year so far?)

    Like panic said in his post...it will end. And when it does, we should be so focused on Auburn football that we hardly notice.

    War Eagle.

    That's one of the reasons that I hope that nick sticks around for a little while longer. I want to beat them and beat them bad and I want them at their "best". No excuses that we wouldn't have been able to win again if he was still there. If you're going to be the best you have to beat the best. nick has rejuventated the program at uat. I want to see what he does against a rejuvenated AU.

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    Big A

  • As usual, all good points. Thanks for the rational input. In addition, Auburn does not has not completely cornered the market on excuse making. On sports radio here in Detroit, the bama dominance from last night was extrapolated to the entire SEC and the hosts were all saying the Big 10 will never compete with the SEC because the SEC teams all cheat. They also cited academic standards and weather as contributing factors.

    weagle89

  • Agree, totally!

    You acknowledge reality and deal with it. You can run and cower in the corner and give up. You can rest on your laurels like we have with 2010. Or, you can pin your ears back, look the beast in the eye and go for the kill. It's going to take a toughness and discipline like none our kids have seen in a while. But, it can be done with right kind of leadership. That leadership and support is in place in my opinion.

    So, leave the conspiracy theories alone and just look forward to the process and journey Gus is about to take us on.

    War Eagle!!!

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    LittleE4AU

  • Your either 1st or your last the way I look at it

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  • obiewan said...

    Your either 1st or your last the way I look at it

    Guess it all depends on which direction you're facing biggrin

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    General1972

  • I will agree with pretty much all of that EXCEPT....I really do not believe they are as good as they seem. aTm beat them at home much more convincingly than the score indicated. We all knew Notre Dame wasn't even close to being ready for Bama (or LSU or aTm or UGA for that matter). They are a very good football team. But it was a down year for college football in general. The biggest evidence of that is Notre Dame and Ohio State going undefeated. Neither team was very good. With eight new starters, Bama had a bone-crushing defense....except when they played teams with an offense (UGA, aTm). Ole Miss had one bad quarter against them (KO return for TD, 2 INTs on Bama's side of the field). Otherwise the game was very close.

    Anyway, it's not as bad as it seems. We can be back in their faces much quicker that most would believe.

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    cartermon

  • jadennis you are a true turd or bud you are living in a f up fancy world if you believe that horse sh$t that you just posted.

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  • jadennis said...

    It's Nick Saban.

    I've been thinking the same thing that panic posted earlier....

    Auburn fans need to just get on board with the reality that Alabama is dominating college football right now. Does that suck to spell out that plainly? Sure. But it makes it no less true. Reality is what it is.

    We can sit around here, and month after month, season after season, waste our time trying to blame everything from the REC and ESPN, to Finebaum, to the refs, or steriods....NONE of which explain away the reality of the success they are having.

    Alabama has some built in advantages with their history and support within the state. But beyond that, they aren't much different than any of the other top programs like Texas, Ohio State, Oklahoma, USC, etc.

    Blame the media? The media loves ANY team that is a big time name and is winning. They'll love USC, then Texas, then Alabama...it doesn't matter to them who it is. You have to win first to get the love. They can cover you all day and night and you can still suck (see Notre Dame). The media loving you doesn't guarantee victory.

    Blame the REC? I know Auburn fans will claim all kinds of theories on that one...some true, some aren't, at least not these days. But don't we hear similar stories at other programs? They've been accused. We've been accused. Almost every other program has been accused.

    The fact is, at the the end of the day, they get great recruits, just like Texas, just like Florida, just like FSU, just like Georgia....and often, just like us. That doesn't guarantee victory.

    Steroids? Today's popular accusation. Anyone ever look closely at Michael Goggans? How about Mario Fannin? Trey Mason? Craig Sanders? Eltoro Freeman? Craig Stevens? Ronnie Brown? How about players from all the other SEC teams? I didn't see Alabama throwing around Texas A&M or LSU or Georgia. Just because Notre Dame fielded a JV squad last night doesn't suddenly mean Alabama must be the ONE team in college sports using steroids.

    So what is it? Why are they winning?

    Well, can we consider that it might actually be that Nick Saban is just as great as he seems to be? Can we manage to accept that he is very, very good at what he does? Can we just respect that he, as annoying as it may be, and as big of an ass as he may be while doing it, is very good at running a program that instills discipline, develops talent, maintains incredible focus, breeds "team" unity, and results in incredible success?

    Why do we feel the need to make excuses? Are we that affected? Is our world so fragile that admitting and respecting their success would cause too much mental anguish, so instead, we have to rationalize it away and drag it down with excuses? Enjoy it? No way. Diminish it to make ourselves feel better? Lame.

    Nick Saban got to Michigan State and found the program under NCAA sanctions in his second year due to violations from the previous coaching staff. He won 6 or 7 games each of the first few years, then won 10 his last season there (one of the four ever at MSU). His teams went 1-11 against ranked teams to start his tenure, but then ended 8-5 against ranked teams from there on out. He was 2-1 against Top 5 teams his last two years there. (that's 2 of their 10 all-time)

    Saban arrived at LSU on the heels of 4-7 and 3-8 seasons. They went 8-4 in year one, 10-3 in year two. With three full classes under his belt, he went 13-1 and won a national title. (most wins in school history by 3).

    Saban then walked into Alabama after they had been up and down, with lots of down, struggled to a 7-6 season to start, and has now rattled off a 61-7 record in the last five years with three titles.

    If you combine all the coaches in the last 25 years at Florida, Texas, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Michigan, Ohio State, Georgia, LSU, Auburn, Tennessee, USC, Alabama, Penn State, and Florida State, you get 65 men who have led some of the best programs in history. 65.

    There have been some great ones, like Bowden, Spurrier, Carroll, Osborne, etc. But out of 65 coaches at the nations best programs, for a five year period, there are only a handful that can even beg legitimate comparison with what Saban has done the last five years.

    And it's NOT just because he's at Alabama. It's not because the media loves them. It's not because of steroids. It's not because of some favorable calls by the refs.

    He's done what he's done because he's him. The others didn't do what he's done, because they aren't.

    It's pretty much that simple.

    And every Auburn fan breathing on earth would be better off to accept that reality and turn their focus and joy back to what Auburn football is doing, and not live our football lives wasting time and killing joy by making excuses for how Alabama hasn't actually been as good as they seem. (run-on sentence of the year so far?)

    Like panic said in his post...it will end. And when it does, we should be so focused on Auburn football that we hardly notice.

    War Eagle.

    No doubt he's a good coach. No doubt he has benefited from UT collapsing, Auburn being schizo, and Les Miles being Les Miles. In all those 25 years you named has a coach had not 1 but freakin 3 archrivals give him a free pass? The answer is never.

    No doubt he's benefitted from media love after monumental choke jobs the past two years at home. Only a few media darlings could shart themselves like that and still play for it all.

    I can give them credit for playing great football but I also don't have to ignore the rest of the variables that worked monumentally in there favor. If all of our 1 loss teams had it so good we would be sporting double digit t-shirts

    nujaC

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