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Evan is a cut and paste journalist

  • Roots of Auburn's struggles in baseball, basketball may date to year of change in 2004

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    Although Evan Woodbery hasn't changed his tone or been moved to the Alabama beat where he belongs, he at least no longer pretends to be objective.

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    Roots of Auburn's struggles in baseball, basketball may date to year of change in 2004

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  • WDG said...

    Roots of Auburn's struggles in baseball, basketball may date to year of change in 2004

    What's with this clown. 2004 we're talking almost 10 years ago.

    jmj120

  • Phillip it's also a fact that the majority of Auburn fans want him gone. That's all that should matter. If the readers don't support their beat writer this passionately, what's the point in him being there? Can you really deny that he is extremely negatives in his views of everything Auburn? Forget that he is your friend for a second....What did you think of his article today, and the timing of it after Big Cat (which he did not cover)?

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  • PhillipMarshall said...

    Evan is younger than my oldest children. We cover the same beat. We don't hang out together. In my two decades as a sports editor, I can tell you I would never, ever have fired someone because fans of one school wanted him fired. He didn't cover Big Cat Weekend. Charles Goldberg did. I had no problem with his article today and don't believe it had one thing to do with it being after Big Cat Weekend. As I said, I have worked around him for years and never seen any hint that he is a fan of anybody. Either way, if you want to talk about anti-journalism, the stuff NTYF does with no one having enough guts to put a name on it is anti-journalism.

    What do you mean you wouldnt fire someone because fans of ONE school want him gone? You act like he is just a sports journalist. The fans of the ONE school that want him gone just happen to be the ONE school he is supposed to cover. Does it not matter that his primary audience, HIS supposed target customers, do NOT want him? Give me a break Phillip.

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  • PhillipMarshall said...

    Evan is younger than my oldest children. We cover the same beat. We don't hang out together. In my two decades as a sports editor, I can tell you I would never, ever have fired someone because fans of one school wanted him fired. He didn't cover Big Cat Weekend. Charles Goldberg did. I had no problem with his article today and don't believe it had one thing to do with it being after Big Cat Weekend. As I said, I have worked around him for years and never seen any hint that he is a fan of anybody. Either way, if you want to talk about anti-journalism, the stuff NTYF does with no one having enough guts to put a name on it is anti-journalism.

    NTYF is accomplishing their objective. Call it anti-journalism or whatever you want but they are honest in what they are trying to do. Who cares if they are anonymous, its a BLOG not a newspaper and at this point they have more fans than Woodberry does. As a former editor, I would think you would understand the significance of that.

    JackWhite

  • PhillipMarshall said...

    To answer both your posts at one time: If I thought someone was doing a good job, I wouldn't put his job status up for a vote. No way. I'm not a believer in anonymous blogs either, which is why I have put my name on every opinion I've ever written. It's one thing to anonymously point out unequal coverage or whatever, though I dislike anonymity then, too. To try to get someone fired is a very different thing.

    Phillip, I feel like you're on the wrong side of the fence on this one. That's your opinion, and you're entitled to it, but I'd say 90% of AU fans disagree with you. Auburn is trying to move forward and on the verge of signing another top ten class, just finishing up their biggest recruiting event of the year, and this clown drags up something from 2004, a really bad time in AU history.

    jmj120

  • PhillipMarshall said...

    To answer both your posts at one time: If I thought someone was doing a good job, I wouldn't put his job status up for a vote. No way. I'm not a believer in anonymous blogs either, which is why I have put my name on every opinion I've ever written. It's one thing to anonymously point out unequal coverage or whatever, though I dislike anonymity then, too. To try to get someone fired is a very different thing.

    I'm sorry but how can you call it a "vote". These are the customers we are talking about. The READERS. In any profession, if the core customers are this unhappy with an employees performance, then no he is not doing a good job and yes he deserves to be fired. Phillip, you are coming dangerously close to implying that it doesn't really matter what the readers, fans, subscriber, etc think as long as your peers or fellow media members think you're doing a good job.

    JackWhite

  • PhillipMarshall said...

    Evan is younger than my oldest children. We cover the same beat. We don't hang out together. In my two decades as a sports editor, I can tell you I would never, ever have fired someone because fans of one school wanted him fired. He didn't cover Big Cat Weekend. Charles Goldberg did. I had no problem with his article today and don't believe it had one thing to do with it being after Big Cat Weekend. As I said, I have worked around him for years and never seen any hint that he is a fan of anybody. Either way, if you want to talk about anti-journalism, the stuff NTYF does with no one having enough guts to put a name on it is anti-journalism.

    This will be my v ery first (and probably last) post but in all honesty, I can't see how you can justify the writings of this "beat writer" and the attitude in general of the Birmingham, Mobile, and Huntsville newspapers. In my unprofessional opinion, they don't even attempt to be fair and objective. I like just about everything you write but in all respect, I just can't accept your defense of Evan Woodberry. Incidentally, I don't know the gentleman and will probably never meet him but I feel that at the very best, he does his best to paint Auburn in a very bad light.

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  • JackWhite said...

    What do you mean you wouldnt fire someone because fans of ONE school want him gone? You act like he is just a sports journalist. The fans of the ONE school that want him gone just happen to be the ONE school he is supposed to cover. Does it not matter that his primary audience, HIS supposed target customers, do NOT want him? Give me a break Phillip.

    The day journalists are hired or fired because of what the fans of any team want is the day journalism will lose all credibility.

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  • I actually agree with Phillip on this. Evan may not write about all sunshine and flowers with Auburn, but when he writes a story he at least gets his facts straight.

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  • PhillipMarshall said...

    I'm not coming dangerously close to anything. I said if I was the sports editor, the boss, I wouldn't put it up to a vote and I wouldn't. If I thought someone was doing a bad job, I wouldn't put that up for a vote either, not from the fans, the subscribers or other media members.. I was in the newspaper business for 38 years. Some guys were popular and some weren't. Not one ever was fired because he wasn't.

    "Some guys were popular and some weren't. Not one ever was fired because he wasn't." I would add "nor should they be." I can't imagine a worse or more dangerous policy for a newspaper to follow. Can you imagine a situation back in the 1950s if a writer for a newspaper in the state of Alabama wrote an editorial suggesting that segregation was unjust and ought to be ended, I dare say that a lot of customers would call for that writer's firing. Should said newspaper fire him just because 90 % of the readers wanted him fired? That would be a very dangerous policy for a newspaper to follow.

    kingofhill

  • kingofhill said...

    The day journalists are hired or fired because of what the fans of any team want is the day journalism will lose all credibility.

    Exactly. Evan does a great job, is a true professional and these attacks on him are absurd. If I was al.com, I would give him a raise and sign him to a long-term deal.

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  • JackWhite said...

    I'm sorry but how can you call it a "vote". These are the customers we are talking about. The READERS. In any profession, if the core customers are this unhappy with an employees performance, then no he is not doing a good job and yes he deserves to be fired. Phillip, you are coming dangerously close to implying that it doesn't really matter what the readers, fans, subscriber, etc think as long as your peers or fellow media members think you're doing a good job.

    In the newspaper profession whether or not the "core customers are unhappy with an employees performance has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not he is doing a good job. In the newspaper business it might even be an indication that he is doing a good job.

    kingofhill

  • NTYF needs to vote with their dollars and just don't buy the paper.

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  • kingofhill said...

    In the newspaper profession whether or not the "core customers are unhappy with an employees performance has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not he is doing a good job. In the newspaper business it might even be an indication that he is doing a good job.

    You are acting like he writes political pieces for the New York Times. He's a beat writer. He covers ONE school. The fans for that ONE school hate him and want him gone. I have no idea what that has done to their numbers as far as subscriptions, or hits on their website. Probably increased it unfortunately. But to me that's not an indication he's doing a good job, that's an indication of what our society has become and probably also an indication that bama fans are enjoying his work more than Auburn fans are. To me, yeah it DOES matter what the reader's opinion of him is. He's not some investigative journalist, he's a damn beat writer.

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  • JackWhite said...

    You are acting like he writes political pieces for the New York Times. He's a beat writer. He covers ONE school. The fans for that ONE school hate him and want him gone. I have no idea what that has done to their numbers as far as subscriptions, or hits on their website. Probably increased it unfortunately. But to me that's not an indication he's doing a good job, that's an indication of what our society has become and probably also an indication that bama fans are enjoying his work more than Auburn fans are. To me, yeah it DOES matter what the reader's opinion of him is. He's not some investigative journalist, he's a damn beat writer.

    I'm sorry, I thought he wrote for a newspaper. Call him a "beat writer" or whatever you want to call him. He writes for a newspaper. He is a journalist. One doesn't have to write "political pieces for the New York Times" to be a journalist. You can attach the word "damn" to it all you want but that doesn't change the fact that he is a journalist.

    kingofhill

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