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Some of us have the same concerns that Rob does - something I posted yesterday-
Lot's of mixed emotions in this one. One thought I had was - will Saban encourage Smart NOT to take the job? Since Smart has been with him so long and at several stops, who does he turn to when he needs that sage advice? Will he get it from Saban? Will Dye try to get involved and spin his out of date spiel on him?
Personally, I don't like the idea of Gus coming back. I'd have to know if the rumors about discipline are true and why he didn't address it or try to in some way. I love Petrino as a coach however, I believe that he would hurt our brand that is almost always under false attack or some suspicion or bull-shite coming from hate mongerers like Doyel or Scarbinsky. Petrino only brings a can of gas to that bonfire.
At the end of the day, the HC sets a direction and the assistants run the show. Who does Smart bring? and if those guys he might bring are also up and comers; why aren't they on our radar as well? I don not like the UA connection but a disciple of a modern day icon is interesting.
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One of the best posts I've seen in a while...good job, jadennis!
Awesomely stated and most factual, as always by you, jadennis!
That supports the construct that hiring Petri-NO would be an epic fail.
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Good post, much appreciated. I think we have to depend on the committee to look the candidates in the eye and get an idea if they have " It". Sometimes they will be right, sometimes not but they will be making the call and they don't need my input.
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhj, deep breath, ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. *splat*!
Thanks for someone making a reasonable post. Getting really fed up with the negative fans that think Vince Lombardi is the only person that can win at Auburn. Good gosh, Terry Bowden won at Auburn and he did not even know the player's names.
Well said JA. When we see PM's post earlier, he points out that some potential hires might be somewhat concerned about the divisiveness in the fan base right now.
I think what we're seeing here is that the quiet majority has latched onto this post, showing that most of us are taking more of a wait and see approach. Many of us would certainly love to see a "Big Name" come running down to Auburn, but the fact is that we may find someone just as successful--if not more so--from a different place such as a smaller school or from the pool of top-notch coordinators waiting for an opportunity.
Right now this post is setting some sort of record at 170+. This is a much more accurate picture of the Auburn fan base. Thanks for identifying who we are JA.
Why are we not after Fadora? Crickets!
Well, I'll tell ya, little missy, this ain't no square dance.
Like I said in the previous post....playing for three titles in four years is simply lightening in a bottle. There is nor formula to follow to get that kind of success. We could hire Pete Carroll or Bob Stoops or whoever is the best we could steal away, and there is about a 99.5% chance 3 in 4 years ain't gonna happen.
But you did get me thinking....so I made a list of the best that came to my mind....kind of a collection of all-time greats and current greats. There will be names on here that are arguable, and I'm sure I left some off. But it can't really be argued that this list of coaches doesn't represent at least a very large portion of the most successful coaches of all-time and of recent years.
A = was an assistant
H = had head coaching experience
A - Paterno
H - Bowden
H - Bear Bryant
A - Wilkinson
A - Osborne
H - Royal
H - Hayes
A - Switzer
H - Devaney
A - McKay
H - Saban
H - Meyer
H - Carroll
A - Fulmer
H - Tressel
A - Robinson
A - Stoops
A - V Dooley
H - Dye
H - Schembechler
A - Carr
A - Snyder
H - Cooper
H - Spurrier
H - Brown
A - Slocum
H - Fry
H - Beamer
H - Broyles
H - Holtz
A - Ford
A - McCartney
A - Vaught
H - Miles
A - Richt
A - C Kelly
That's 36 big names, all-time and current. The breakdown is fairly close: 19 with head coaching experience, 17 from the ranks of assistants.
And if you look at some with head coaching experience, you find the following:
Darrell Royal was 6-4, 6-4, and 5-5 before going to Texas.
Pete Carroll was 33-31 in the NFL before going to USC.
Jim Tressel coached Division 1-AA before going to Ohio State.
Frank Broyles was 5-4-1 before going to Arkansas.
Les Miles was 28-21 before going to LSU.
Hayden Fry was 49-66-1 and 40-23-3 at SMU and North Texas before going to Iowa.
So if you go by what this board wants, 6 of those 19 "with head coaching experience" coaches wouldn't remotely be considered in our coaching search. Royal was barely over .500 in three seasons...would we be happy about some 17-14 coach right now? Or a 28-21 Les Miles (16-16 in the Big XII)? Or 5-4-1 Frank Bryoles? No chance.
Again, my whole point was that there is NO formula. You can even find guys that were good one place, bad at another. Look at Danny Ford at Clemson, then at Arkansas. Look at Stallings at Texas A&M, then at Alabama. Look at Johnny Majors at Pitt, then at Tennessee, then back at Pitt. Look at John Robinson at USC the first time, then the second time.
Again, I'm not suggesting we hire a "loser not a leader" again. I'm just saying that MOST great coaches become great AFTER they get where they become great. And that often happens after being a coordinator with no experience, or by being a quality head coach somewhere else first (or even a mediocre head coach somewhere else in some cases).
Rob....you have a baby coming....don't lose sleep over something that we won't be able to call a success or a failure for another 2 years from now. That new baby is going to steal enough of your sleep as it is.
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