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It is a "takedown". And according to the SEC Office in B'ham, is perfectly legal in Tuscaloosa. But only in Tuscaloosa. "Hold Em' (literally) Bama!"
Looks like it might be holding, but you can't really tell in a single freeze frame of guys that are actually in motion.
If Ford just keeps plowing straight at Fluker, there probably ends up not being a hold. If Ford is trying to definitely go by on one side or the other, and Fluker doesn't move his arms out of the way or move his feet quickly to stay in front of him, it will be hold. Kind of impossible to tell in a single frame what's about to happen.
Someone has a fist full of jersey on Blackson, so that looks like a hold, but again, if Blackson isn't trying to move horizontally in the photo, then the hold probably never really stands out because it never keeps him from going where he's trying to go.
As for their size....well to me, Blackson (308 lbs) looks as big as the guys trying to block him. And Ford is a 246 lb DE going up against one of the larger OL in the country, 335lbs. That's 90 lbs differnce, so he's going to look pretty small. For comparison, Jordan Diamond is almost 325 lbs and is a red-shirt freshman compared to Fluker, who is a red-shirt junior.
The thing is, and Rb can exaggerate the following statement into oblivion like he's prone to do, but the thing is, you could probably take single frame shots during nearly every play run in a football game and find a handful of shirt for a moment, or a guys arms up under another guys arms, a little outside the numbers or shoulders.
There is a reason that they say you can call holding on every single play if the refs really wanted to. In moments, you can get away with a grab here or there. It's when you hold on too long, get your arms extended, etc and it becomes blatant that typically gets things called. Hard to know what happened on that play judging from a single still shot.
On the insinuation that the refs call it on everyone else but not on Alabama...I'll just move on.
Well, I'll move on after adding one thing.
I remember hearing this same complaint in 2009, and then reading somewhere that at the end of the year Kentucky had not been called for holding in any game since the fourth or fifth game of the year, something crazy like that, and that there were several teams that had been called for holding less than Alabama.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by jadennis 15 months ago
Lol, I'll take that. I don't apologize for my exaggerations either. Just because we don't see eye to eye on everything doesn't mean we are not all good Auburn men and women. Have a great weekend. War Eagle!
This post was edited by Rbl92 15 months ago
In summation, Saban has clearly driven a large segment of our fanbase batsh1+ crazy.
There you go giving saban too much credit again. My feelings on bama's ways have been with me for close to 30 years. I didn't even know who saban was 30 years ago.
Very well said.
jaD- I appreciate your explanation. I agree it is difficult to look at a still frame and pass judgement on a call that usually occurs in a moving segment of the game. I have just often heard that bammar doesn't hold as much as people say they do bc they are "inside the numbers". This shot clearly shows that they are not and there are plenty more where it came from.
In reference to your other post about "It's not the REC, It's not the REF's, etc.", do you think saban could go to any other school(team) and be just as successful as he has been at uat, LSU, etc? Because based on your logic he should be able to turn ANY school's team into a championship team and IMO he, nor anybody else, could do that. Lots of "factors", not directly from the HC, play a role in winning in college football (sports).
Also, do you not find it just a little odd that the positions of "Officials Coordinator" and "Conference Scheduling" are both held by uat graduates in the SEC office/administration? Surely they are "fans" and as much as they might try, it is impossible to be completely unbiased as their positions require fairness in these two categories.
Thanks for sharing and War Eagle!
This post was edited by 4evrtiger 15 months ago
No, I don't think Saban could do what he's done at Alabama just anywhere. Not at all. Saying, "based off your logic" I don't think is really fair either. If you give my post a fair review, I said Alabama has advantages. It has everything you could ever hope for in advantages. No question.
I just also pointed out that they aren't the only ones. His situation at Alabama isn't superior to what a coach could or does have at Texas, Ohio State, USC, Georgia, LSU, Florida, FSU, Michigan, Oklahoma, etc. All of those programs have very similar talent, facilities, money, etc. Yet no one has been winning 3 titles in 4 years at those places lately (or ever in most cases). So if they have similar talent on their roster, yet they haven't been winning the way Saban has, then I feel it's reasonable to give him credit for that.
So my point wasn't to pump up what he has "built from scratch" at Alabama, as much as it was to give him credit for taking those advantages and putting them all to use in a structure that leads to winning as much as he does. Something coaches haven't been able to do, with similar advantages, at Ohio State, Texas, USC, etc.
He may take full advantage of what's available, but there's no way to know if he could actually "build" something so dominate from scratch. To me, I put someone like Bill Snyder ahead of him, simply because Snyder, twice, has built it from scratch, which is more impressive to me than taking advantage of what's already potentially there.
And no.....I don't like it I like discussing things...almost no matter what the topic is. If it's Alabama football it's Alabama football. I don't avoid it, but I certainly don't enjoy it. Promise.
What about the administrative positions being held by uat grads? Care to comment.
More logic.....why wasn't he as successful at LSU as he is at uat?
Oh yeah, meant to ask you about that. I hadn't heard that before. That is really interesting. What are their names?
If the scheduling person went to any SEC school I would have guessed Georgia.
Not really any idea on his time at LSU, other than to say that seeing what he's done at Alabama once he got things rolling, I think there's a really, really good chance he'd have more than just the 2003 title by now had he stayed there. But being someplace different means everything would have been different, so it's hard to say.
Mike Gundy has shown you can win BIG at Oklahoma State. So why didn't Jimmy Johnson do it when he was coach there? Why didn't Les Miles do it when he was coach there? Why did Johnny Majors win a title at Pitt, but never get over the hump of "pretty good" at Tennessee in 14 years? Why did Danny Ford win big at Clemson, but do nothing at Arkansas? Why did Walt Harris do pretty darn well at Pitt, then go to Stanford and go 6-17? Why did John L Smith go 41-21 at Louisville, but then go 22-26 at Michigan State?
For most situations that end up with great success, you have to be the right person at the right place at the right time. But it has to be all three. The place can't do it alone. The time has to be right. And the person has to be right. When you're that person, you get the credit. When it's not "right", you get fired.
By the way, are you just having fun by seeing how many one-line posts you can use to get me to write back giant paragraphs?
lil bit....but you do have good points.
Hey, I have told many people that I think saban is a great coach. I loved him when he was at LSU. He is the poster child for a person committed to his job. A no-nonsense coach. I just don't think he places boundaries on himself or his program. He seems the type of person that would say screw the rules I know better than those who made them.....I think he already agreed to start the "athlete stipend" plan at uat about which he has spoken out with support. Well, he didn't start it he just hasn't stopped it.
Just promise me one thing...Don't ask JaDennis what time it is. I don't want to know how the watch was made or why if a Bama football player stole the watch it would not be considered stealing.
Just teasing you JaD
Save me some time and answer my Q. You r my google, cc. :p
or is it
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