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The irony is so thick.......

  • ....you CAN'T even cut it with a knife.

    In 2004, Auburn was kept out of the BCS Championship Game with the Strength of Schedule excuse. The difference in SOS between Auburn, Oklahoma, and USC was exactly 4 places in the unbiased SOS rankings of Wes Colley, and about the same in the other unbiased computer SOS rankings. The difference between Alabama and Oklahoma State will be at least 20 places in Colley's final pre-bowl ranking. Bama defeated #6 and #25 in the current BCS rankings. Oklahoma State defeated #8, #12, and #14, and #24 in the current BCS rankings. So much for the SOS argument.

    In 1983, Auburn was the highest ranked team that didn't lose a bowl game. We defeated Michigan in a defensive struggle and won 9-7. This year Ivan Maisel writes, "LSU and Alabama made it to the BCS Championship Game because they play defense better than everyone else." So did 2004 Auburn and 1983 Auburn, but no championships. Maisel was giddy about Southern California and OU because they scored so many points. It was all about the offense. Now he has turned 180 degrees around and likes the defense. I'm guessing he is being told what to like and writes accordingly. Such is the fate of selling one's soul to the Satan that is ESPN.

    So this year we are left with a rematch between the best team in college football (demonstrated as such on the field) and another team that did not win its conference, did not even win its own division, and played a much easier schedule than a deserving one-loss team that DID win its conference.

    ESPN simply chooses the teams it wants in the championship game and fabricates excuses to match. They exalt the virtues of the SEC, but where were they in 2004? The SEC absolutely SUCKED in ESPN's eyes that year. And now we are left with the rematch. If LSU wins....so what? They already beat this team at their own place, and did so without Jordan Jefferson as the starter. And if Bama wins? Do we go for best two out of three? Does a team that did not win its conference, or even its division....deserve to hoist the crystal football while another team that took a tougher road and accomplished more didn't even get to play?

    And finally....The BCS Championship Game is being played by two teams currently on probation for major NCAA infractions, while Oklahoma State is left on the outside looking in with a program that is free from any NCAA sanction for 22 years. Has anybody heard even a peep about this from ESPN or ABC? Nope. Tried and convicted criminals playing for all the marbles and not so much as a sidebar from the Sports Giant. Last year, there was nothing but internet rumor and innuendo, yet that's all we heard each and every time we turned on the TV. Not one slice of real evidence, but non-stop accusations and guilty verdicts. Vacate the championship and return the Heisman is all we heard.

    Any hint of integrity in college football is simply gone.....ruined by ESPN and the folks who DON'T play the game. And all of this is what we are teaching our college kids. We will surely reap what we are sewing, and it won't be pretty. In fact, it's already not pretty.

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  • The sad thing is fans will continue to watch ESPN and listen to ESPN radio. I for one am done with ESPN.

  • After this, I'm convinced ESPN had to somehow have been involved in the Casey Anthony and O.J. Simpson murder trials!

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  • I'm so confused as to how so many Auburn fans seem to think Alabama and Oklahoma State were tied at #2 until yesterday.

    Back on November 13, 10-0 Oklahoma State was #2, and 9-1 Alabama was #3. Nobody had a problem with either ranking...they both made sense. Oklahoma St was the last of the unbeatens (joining LSU of course), and Alabama easily had the "best" loss of any of the 1-loss teams, so having them at #3 (the highest ranked of the 1-loss teams) made sense.

    But by November 20th, a lot changed. #2, #4, #5, and #7 all lost. Oklahoma State, as #2, lost to a 28 point underdog. Let that sink in....they lost to a (now) 6-6 team that was a FOUR touchdown underdog. As a result, they dropped from #2 to #6. They were the lowest ranked 1-loss team (except for Boise)....because they had the worst lost of any 1-loss team. Alabama had lost to LSU. Arkansas had lost to Alabama. Virginia Tech had lost to Clemson. Stanford had lost to Oregon. And then you had Oklahoma State...a loss to Iowa State.

    Think back to November 20. Did anyone complain about Oklahoma State dropping to #6 after losing to a 28 point underdog? Did anyone complain about Alabama moving up a spot after Oklahoma State blew it? No. No one complained about any of that. And they didn't complain because there was nothing to complain about.

    As they continued to win, Alabama stayed at #2, and Oklahoma State moved their way back from #6 to #3. At no point was there some kind of tie or toss up between the two teams as to who was #2. None of us want a rematch. None of us want Alabama in the game. But none of what we want makes it fair to drop them DOWN from #2 when all they've done since losing to LSU is continue to win.

    Hating Alabama and hating the idea of a rematch, unfortunately, doesn't override what's fair and what is the right thing to do. We, as Auburn men and women, who believe in our creed, of all people, should understand that and accept it with integrity and honesty. It is what it is, and no one got ripped off. And ESPN didn't convince anyone back on November 20th to move Oklahoma State from #2 to #6 when they lost to a 28 point underdog. And ESPN didn't convince anyone to move #3 Alabama up to #2 as a result.

    It went the way it went, and all we can do is bear it with class.

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  • Fantastic post Mr.Dennis. You are telling the whole truth, no matter how how to bear it is for us AU fans.

    This post was edited by teachwn 3 years ago

  • jadennis said... (original post)

    I'm so confused as to how so many Auburn fans seem to think Alabama and Oklahoma State were tied at #2 until yesterday.

    Back on November 13, 10-0 Oklahoma State was #2, and 9-1 Alabama was #3. Nobody had a problem with either ranking...they both made sense. Oklahoma St was the last of the unbeatens (joining LSU of course), and Alabama easily had the "best" loss of any of the 1-loss teams, so having them at #3 (the highest ranked of the 1-loss teams) made sense.

    But by November 20th, a lot changed. #2, #4, #5, and #7 all lost. Oklahoma State, as #2, lost to a 28 point underdog. Let that sink in....they lost to a (now) 6-6 team that was a FOUR touchdown underdog. As a result, they dropped from #2 to #6. They were the lowest ranked 1-loss team (except for Boise)....because they had the worst lost of any 1-loss team. Alabama had lost to LSU. Arkansas had lost to Alabama. Virginia Tech had lost to Clemson. Stanford had lost to Oregon. And then you had Oklahoma State...a loss to Iowa State.

    Think back to November 20. Did anyone complain about Oklahoma State dropping to #6 after losing to a 28 point underdog? Did anyone complain about Alabama moving up a spot after Oklahoma State blew it? No. No one complained about any of that. And they didn't complain because there was nothing to complain about.

    As they continued to win, Alabama stayed at #2, and Oklahoma State moved their way back from #6 to #3. At no point was there some kind of tie or toss up between the two teams as to who was #2. None of us want a rematch. None of us want Alabama in the game. But none of what we want makes it fair to drop them DOWN from #2 when all they've done since losing to LSU is continue to win.

    Hating Alabama and hating the idea of a rematch, unfortunately, doesn't override what's fair and what is the right thing to do. We, as Auburn men and women, who believe in our creed, of all people, should understand that and accept it with integrity and honesty. It is what it is, and no one got ripped off. And ESPN didn't convince anyone back on November 20th to move Oklahoma State from #2 to #6 when they lost to a 28 point underdog. And ESPN didn't convince anyone to move #3 Alabama up to #2 as a result.

    It went the way it went, and all we can do is bear it with class.

    My post has absolutely nothing to do with Alabama. If it were Auburn getting the freebie, I would feel the same. While you are comparing "best" versus "worst" losses, remember that Bama lost at home while OSU lost on the road following a tragic loss to their athletic department. There was also a winning field goal that everybody in the stadium, except a single ref, thought was good.

    If you count the good things, OSU wins in a landslide. If you count the bad, Bama wins by a nose.

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  • jadennis said... (original post)

    I'm so confused as to how so many Auburn fans seem to think Alabama and Oklahoma State were tied at #2 until yesterday.

    Back on November 13, 10-0 Oklahoma State was #2, and 9-1 Alabama was #3. Nobody had a problem with either ranking...they both made sense. Oklahoma St was the last of the unbeatens (joining LSU of course), and Alabama easily had the "best" loss of any of the 1-loss teams, so having them at #3 (the highest ranked of the 1-loss teams) made sense.

    But by November 20th, a lot changed. #2, #4, #5, and #7 all lost. Oklahoma State, as #2, lost to a 28 point underdog. Let that sink in....they lost to a (now) 6-6 team that was a FOUR touchdown underdog. As a result, they dropped from #2 to #6. They were the lowest ranked 1-loss team (except for Boise)....because they had the worst lost of any 1-loss team. Alabama had lost to LSU. Arkansas had lost to Alabama. Virginia Tech had lost to Clemson. Stanford had lost to Oregon. And then you had Oklahoma State...a loss to Iowa State.

    Think back to November 20. Did anyone complain about Oklahoma State dropping to #6 after losing to a 28 point underdog? Did anyone complain about Alabama moving up a spot after Oklahoma State blew it? No. No one complained about any of that. And they didn't complain because there was nothing to complain about.

    As they continued to win, Alabama stayed at #2, and Oklahoma State moved their way back from #6 to #3. At no point was there some kind of tie or toss up between the two teams as to who was #2. None of us want a rematch. None of us want Alabama in the game. But none of what we want makes it fair to drop them DOWN from #2 when all they've done since losing to LSU is continue to win.

    Hating Alabama and hating the idea of a rematch, unfortunately, doesn't override what's fair and what is the right thing to do. We, as Auburn men and women, who believe in our creed, of all people, should understand that and accept it with integrity and honesty. It is what it is, and no one got ripped off. And ESPN didn't convince anyone back on November 20th to move Oklahoma State from #2 to #6 when they lost to a 28 point underdog. And ESPN didn't convince anyone to move #3 Alabama up to #2 as a result.

    It went the way it went, and all we can do is bear it with class.

    It shouldn't be about WHEN you lose.

    And if it's about to WHOM you lose (or beat) one season, it should be the same in other seasons.

    One year, a certain ESPN personality harped on the fact that Auburn shouldn't be allowed to compete for the BCS title because we had played a Division 1-AA school. A few years later, that same ESPN personality declared that a team that didn't win it's conference (much less its division) shouldn't have a shot to play for the BCS title. This year, that same personality all but demanded that a team that played a D1-AA school AND failed to win it's division be granted a rematch against a team that already proved itself better on the field.

    It's not all about who deserves to be there; it's about sticking to your beliefs, and not changing those beliefs in order to create a match-up that your network believes will draw the most viewers.

    Because if you do that, you're nothing but a sham, a fraud, a hypocrite and a huckster, and you shouldn't have a say in who plays for the title.

  • jadennis said... (original post)

    I'm so confused as to how so many Auburn fans seem to think Alabama and Oklahoma State were tied at #2 until yesterday.

    Back on November 13, 10-0 Oklahoma State was #2, and 9-1 Alabama was #3. Nobody had a problem with either ranking...they both made sense. Oklahoma St was the last of the unbeatens (joining LSU of course), and Alabama easily had the "best" loss of any of the 1-loss teams, so having them at #3 (the highest ranked of the 1-loss teams) made sense.

    But by November 20th, a lot changed. #2, #4, #5, and #7 all lost. Oklahoma State, as #2, lost to a 28 point underdog. Let that sink in....they lost to a (now) 6-6 team that was a FOUR touchdown underdog. As a result, they dropped from #2 to #6. They were the lowest ranked 1-loss team (except for Boise)....because they had the worst lost of any 1-loss team. Alabama had lost to LSU. Arkansas had lost to Alabama. Virginia Tech had lost to Clemson. Stanford had lost to Oregon. And then you had Oklahoma State...a loss to Iowa State.

    Think back to November 20. Did anyone complain about Oklahoma State dropping to #6 after losing to a 28 point underdog? Did anyone complain about Alabama moving up a spot after Oklahoma State blew it? No. No one complained about any of that. And they didn't complain because there was nothing to complain about.

    As they continued to win, Alabama stayed at #2, and Oklahoma State moved their way back from #6 to #3. At no point was there some kind of tie or toss up between the two teams as to who was #2. None of us want a rematch. None of us want Alabama in the game. But none of what we want makes it fair to drop them DOWN from #2 when all they've done since losing to LSU is continue to win.

    Hating Alabama and hating the idea of a rematch, unfortunately, doesn't override what's fair and what is the right thing to do. We, as Auburn men and women, who believe in our creed, of all people, should understand that and accept it with integrity and honesty. It is what it is, and no one got ripped off. And ESPN didn't convince anyone back on November 20th to move Oklahoma State from #2 to #6 when they lost to a 28 point underdog. And ESPN didn't convince anyone to move #3 Alabama up to #2 as a result.

    It went the way it went, and all we can do is bear it with class.

    This guy right here was complaining!

    As I watched the chaos unfold that weekend that started with the OK State win that was declared a loss because a ref is blind, I was screaming for all the teams that lost to win, calling folks asking "can this really be happening?! Can it really be this easy for Bama?!'

    However ESPN twists it last night and says "All these other teams had their chance to keep this rematch from happening..." RIGHT! Same chance Bama had when they lost at home, oh wait... that game and its implications are irrelevant now, apparently.

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  • ALLiDOisWIN said... (original post)

    This guy right here was complaining!

    As I watched the chaos unfold that weekend that started with the OK State win that was declared a loss because a ref is blind, I was screaming for all the teams that lost to win, calling folks asking "can this really be happening?! Can it really be this easy for Bama?!'

    However ESPN twists it last night and says "All these other teams had their chance to keep this rematch from happening..." RIGHT! Same chance Bama had when they lost at home, oh wait... that game and its implications are irrelevant now, apparently.

    As all those teams were losing, what exactly were you screaming? What injustice had been done? I was screaming too, but it was because I hated what I was seeing, but it had nothing to do with anything being unfair or anyone getting screwed.

    When #2 Oklahoma State lost to 6-6 Iowa State and they moved down to #6...what about that was unfair?

    When #3 Alabama moved up when #2, #4, #5, and #7 all lost, what was unjust about that? What was unfair? Who was getting screwed?

    I mean, we all hated it. But what was unfair or unjust about those things?

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  • I think the real issue here is one we have known all along. Certain programs get the benefit of the doubt b/c of their name. For some reason people seem to believe the fact that you have rich history entitles your current team to preferential treatment, when in fact it has absolutely nothing to do with how good the current team is. That's not to say Bama isn't a great team or the 2nd best team in the nation. I just don't like the fact that when OSU lost it was over for everyone but Bama. That would have been true if OSU had beaten 10 ranked teams and Bama had beaten none. And the real reason AU was shunned in '04...USC, OU, and AU on the jerseys. We lose that battle EVERY time no matter what the numbers say!!!

  • jadennis said... (original post)

    As all those teams were losing, what exactly were you screaming? What injustice had been done? I was screaming too, but it was because I hated what I was seeing, but it had nothing to do with anything being unfair or anyone getting screwed.

    When #2 Oklahoma State lost to 6-6 Iowa State and they moved down to #6...what about that was unfair?

    When #3 Alabama moved up when #2, #4, #5, and #7 all lost, what was unjust about that? What was unfair? Who was getting screwed?

    I mean, we all hated it. But what was unfair or unjust about those things?

    I meant I was screaming for them to come back and win, and that is can't possibly be this easy that while OK State, Oregon, Oklahoma were all losing, all Bama was doing was having it's worst defensive showing this season against an FCS team giving up over 300 yards on the ground... and they were rewarded for it! If Auburn could have just had a tenth of the good fortune Bama received that one weekend in our entire season in '04, we would have been playing for the title.

    Regardless that OK State never should have let the game get so close against ISU, the field goal was good. That is a shame that one play, one ref, changed the enter BCS bowl season. Also, you don't have to know football to know ISU is a team that can get up for one game. They are in no-man's-land of being able to compete on a national level and getting blown out as Chizik's recruits come up through the program.

    All this to say I'm not arguing with you, JaDennis, but that I was complaining as I saw how lucky one team (Bama) can be that weekend. However, I will say that the fact that OSU's loss to ISU compared to Bama's loss to LSU is starting to sound like a broken record. There are more qualifying statistics than that and almost all, if not all, of them point in OSU's favor.

  • If I am not mistaken, didn't OSU lose the day after 2 women's basketball coaches died in a plane crash. Tell me what team in the country would not be down. And yet they still should have won the game. I usually agree with JA but not this time. Bama had their chance and at home on top of that. They just don't deserve a second chance this time. I did not think Michigan deserved a second chance and neither does Bama.

  • culvejn said... (original post)

    I think the real issue here is one we have known all along. Certain programs get the benefit of the doubt b/c of their name. For some reason people seem to believe the fact that you have rich history entitles your current team to preferential treatment, when in fact it has absolutely nothing to do with how good the current team is. That's not to say Bama isn't a great team or the 2nd best team in the nation. I just don't like the fact that when OSU lost it was over for everyone but Bama. That would have been true if OSU had beaten 10 ranked teams and Bama had beaten none. And the real reason AU was shunned in '04...USC, OU, and AU on the jerseys. We lose that battle EVERY time no matter what the numbers say!!!

    I don't know the link....wrote an article from a few months ago about "respect check" in the polls. That perception you're talking about sounds close to reality, but it actually isn't true when it comes to Auburn.

    I made a whole list of examples throughout AP poll history of where Auburn had the same record as teams like Texas, Notre Dame, Georgia, USC, and even Alabama, but we were ranked higher than any of them. It's not from one season or one era either. It's been found frequently throughout many different years.

    Take even this year....at 4-2, only Texas A&M was ahead of us with 2 losses, and we were ahead of Georgia, Florida, and Notre Dame who all were also 4-2, as well as ahead of 5-1 Penn State and 4-1 USC.

    Later, we were the highest ranked team with 3 losses. Behind us was 5-2 Texas, and other three-loss teams like Ohio State, FSU, and Notre Dame.

    Sorry I don't have the link, but that perception isn't nearly as close to being reality as we often feel it is.

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