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Defeat doesn't finish a man - quit does. A man is not finished when he's defeated. He's finished when he quits. - Richard Nixon
Enough already! Put the bad people under the jail, but this is way, way, way over the line for the NCAA. This rule will open the door for a few in power to crush a school and its innocent fans from bad behavior of a very few. Imagine that the NCAA put Auburn on probation for the arrest of these guys for armed robbery.
If I were PSU, I would have a well-paid attorney nip this in the bud.
I am tired of hearing about this PSU stuff. The guilty for the most part have been identified and should face civil and criminal punishment. Just because the NCAA can't touch these guys does not mean these should nuke the whole school.
I don't want to hear any comments from members here that I have no sympathy for the victims of Sandusky and blind eye of Paterno. I have a young daughter and son AND I PROMISE YOU if a SANDUSKY type harmed one of them he would not be among the living. This is about ABSOLUTE POWER of the NCAA and all the corruption that ability can bring about in the future.
This actually would serve as pretty good precedent to say at least some sanctions should be warranted at Auburn for the armed robbery, shooting, and other incidents. It would also be precedent for UGA.
The PSU situation is clearly an institutional failure. Auburn shooting a totally different story.
"Far and away the best prize that life has to offer is the chance to work hard at work worth doing." Teddy Roosevelt
I think the NCAA may be on a slippery slope that will probably lead to the courts and ultimately the demise of the organization. While I don't condone what has done by the PSU staff and administrators, this is activity outside the boundries of the NCAA's charter and purpose and is reacting to popular opinion rather than existing rules and regulations. If they do this once, it will be easier the next time, and that next time might not be near as guilty. If they had followed this approach with Cam, then the results might have been totally different since the court of rumor-driven public opinion was already convinced we were guilty.
Or, what about our 4 infamous 'armed' robbers or the Bama player a few years ago who was selling drugs in the Athletic Center's parking lot. 'Obviously' the coaches and administration was not dealing with a 'problem' to allow this to occur. We are a nation of laws, and when those laws are set aside for action that is to appease the mob, then we have anarchy, and at that point, where does it stop?
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The argument I keep hearing is that "none of this is a 'football' issue". I'm sorry, but that's patently absurd. Everything done at Penn State was done in order to further the goals of the football program and preserve the legacy and career of a certain coach. If you take football out of the equation than none of this would happened. I mean, Sandusky was using the athletic facilities in order to commit his crimes even well after he retired from the program. There's never been a more egregious lack of institutional control and oversight in the history of sports.
...he would not be among the living? First thoughts of any normal father.
The question? Do you pemalize a great institution in it's entirety for the sins of those already fingured and open to civil and other legal action? A question already asked. To a certain degree, perhaps, but I don't see punishing the innocent, especially players, for the sins of a few. But, forever more, society will consider the football program as part of administrations responsibility. Opinion, not a fact by any means. But, forget it and risk a lot of suffering for ignorance. Currently, Auburn's head football coach understands that football as well as all athletics is run by Jay Jacobs, and Jay Jacobs performance is judged by Jay Gogue. The President has said so and I believe him. If we can't, Auburn is in a mess.
I guess I missed something. Which coach, administrator, AD or any other person at Auburn tried to cover up the armed robbery?
This topic can be discussed from many points of view. The cloud of disgust certainly has a lot of emotions stirring here.
I just cannot see how giving this type of authority to the NCAA will have a positive impact on the sports it governs in the long run.
I only see an opportunity for abuse and a power grab by the NCAA. Let's not panic and throw out the baby with the bathwater.
The NCAA should take it's sweet ass time, follow it's processes that it has in past cases and hand out its punishment. The end results will probably be the same for PSU, but it won't open Pandora's Box.
Stop going off the freaking edge people! I never said Auburn's administration covered up anything. So stop going there and READ WHAT I AM SAYING. I cannot care less for PSU. I don't care if they close down the whole freaking school.
I care about the POWER the NCAA has been given. SIMPLE.
If you cant be honest....whats the point of being anything?
Uh, two totally different things. It's not the crimes by Sandusky that is going to get Penn State hammered by the NCAA. It's the cover-up for a decade-plus afterwards.
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The key is that those involved in the cover-up are subject to criminal sanctions and serious jail time. Any action by the NCAA is a late hit, piling on and unsportsmanlike conduct. Besides, if the BOT gave them the power to impose sanctions, why didn't the cowardly trustees just do the job themselves rather than handing over to a third party. As my dad always said, "You always shoot your OWN dog," implying you don't have the vet or someone else do it. That's part of the responsibility of ownership.
As for just punishment, have all of Paterno's victories from this period forfeited and all TV and post season moneys be returned and donated to organizations that help kids like these. That will hurt the Paterno family and the administration without destroying the current team and the vendors and innocent people who earn much of their livelihood from the games and the program.
This post was edited by vhtiger 2 years ago
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