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Auburn Is the Villain

  • "[W]hen Oregon and Auburn face off on Jan. 10 in Glendale, Ariz., Auburn will be the villain. Every casual fan will adopt the Ducks. Even other SEC fans, usually so quick to proudly chant the conference acronym out of grudging respect for their rival's achievement, might fall silent."

    So writes Andy Staples at SI: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/andy_staples/12/04/auburn-south-carolina/index.html?eref=sihp

    Now usually, this is where we would start hurling insults at the hack sportswriter obviously intent on demeaning Auburn and sliming our team. We would question his sanity and his manhood and start researching where he got his degree.

    But the fact of the matter is, Staples is just writing the truth. Yes, the anti-Auburn backlash would not be nearly as great if the media were not so slanted, but regardless, the die has now been cast. Auburn is tarnished and this team's accomplishments are considered tainted by many -- perhaps a majority -- across the country.

    We can fuss and fume. We can argue (and we should, btw). We can "embrace the hate." But none of us should be under the false impression that this is going to just blow over, because it won't. That ship has already sailed. The next 37 days are not going to be pretty.

    This post was edited by DeltaTiger 4 years ago

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  • Delta Tiger,
    This article seems pretty much dead on. I graduated in 1992, so I've seen three truly great Auburn teams in my life: 1983, 1993, and 2004, and a bunch of good ones. But never a national champion. I said to my dad at the beginning of the season that I'd just like to see Auburn win it for once in my lifetime. Well, here they are, and it feels like a good part of the joy has been taken out of it. You know why? Not because of the media (as inaccurate and biased as some of them have been), but because we have a player who's father cheated, which means the player potentially cheated (no matter what the NCAA has found so far). Therefore, all this is tainted. If CN played for anyone else, we Auburn fans would be howling with outrage, too. Glad we're winning, but not if it comes with a price. I'd rather be the Auburn that comes close but never wins it all (and stays clean) than have tainted victories and players.

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    If you have to ask why I love Auburn so much...never mind

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    "There's no doubt, we're going up." Gus Malzahn

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  • This team has "Circled the Wagons" as good as any team I have ever watched.

    So...if the rest of the world wants to be against us...so be it.

    War Eagle!

  • It's obvious that nothing bothers this team so we should do the same thing! War Eagle!

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    Auburn people feel a deep and passionate responsibility to uphold standards not written on paper, but lived from the heart.

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    "Always remember that Goliath was a 40-point favorite over Little David." Shug Jordan

  • As far as I'm concerned 83, 93, 04 were national champions. If you haven't noticed AU is going to be downgraded which in no small part led by uat. Goes with the territory of being nice guys. If you don't stand up for yourself people will take advantage. Au people are nice people. If you haven't noticed go to a uat, if, tn, lsu, etc game.

    83, 93, 04 teams / years were fantastc. They deserve to be remembered as champions also regardless of what uat / competition say.

  • As far as I'm concerned 83, 93, 04 were national champions. If you haven't noticed AU is going to be downgraded which in no small part led by uat. Goes with the territory of being nice guys. If you don't stand up for yourself people will take advantage. Au people are nice people. If you haven't noticed go to a uat, if, tn, lsu, etc game.

    83, 93, 04 teams / years were fantastc. They deserve to be remembered as champions also regardless of what uat / competition say.

  • As far as I'm concerned 83, 93, 04 were national champions. If you haven't noticed AU is going to be downgraded which in no small part led by uat. Goes with the territory of being nice guys. If you don't stand up for yourself people will take advantage. Au people are nice people. If you haven't noticed go to a uat, if, tn, lsu, etc game.

    83, 93, 04 teams / years were fantastc. They deserve to be remembered as champions also regardless of what uat / competition say.

  • Wow, just wow. You are scary. So AU and Cam are the villians in your eyes too, huh. I feel sorry for you aub24-7.

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  • DeltaTiger said... (original post)

    Delta Tiger, This article seems pretty much dead on. I graduated in 1992, so I've seen three truly great Auburn teams in my life: 1983, 1993, and 2004, and a bunch of good ones. But never a national champion. I said to my dad at the beginning of the season that I'd just like to see Auburn win it for once in my lifetime. Well, here they are, and it feels like a good part of the joy has been taken out of it. You know why? Not because of the media (as inaccurate and biased as some of them have been), but because we have a player who's father cheated, which means the player potentially cheated (no matter what the NCAA has found so far). Therefore, all this is tainted. If CN played for anyone else, we Auburn fans would be howling with outrage, too. Glad we're winning, but not if it comes with a price. I'd rather be the Auburn that comes close but never wins it all (and stays clean) than have tainted victories and players.

    Nothing but a poser....

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  • MS Tiger 67,
    Listen, you may accept that "everyone else does it, so why don't we" mentality, but, as an Auburn Alumnus, I do not. I don't want the crap going on. I saw that first hand...saw it in the 80s when I worked at Sewell Hall, and your hero Pat Dye was the coach. Saw it with the BMWs in the player's parking lot. Saw it with the probation which got Dye booted (rightly so). The program was dirty. You may want that, but I do not. Therefore, I don't want to win a championship with an asterisk beside it. Auburn has worked hard for 20 years to clean this act up. Too hard to let a greedy father drag it down. Glad we won. Yippee. But I don't want the asterisk.

    Remember that Cam will be gone next year, and we'll be left to pick up the pieces if there are any issues that come out later. Auburn is bigger than one stinking player, and we should never compromise one that. I hope Cam didn't know anything, but I know if my father shopped me, I'd be furious and hurt, OR I'd be complicitous (I'd be in on it). Haven't seen a sign of hurt yet on Cam, just a big kid skipping around like everything's hunky dory. So what does that tell you?

    An Auburn "Poser" is one who doesn't care about this stuff. A real Auburn fan cares whether there's dirt or not. I trust Chizik at this point, but I know better than to trust Dye, and I don't have a sense of trust in Cam.

  • Big Boy 85,
    The '93 team was on probation for the sins of the coaching staff 89-91. Didn't say I was thankful for the probation...I said they were a great team, just like this one. But a great team isn't worth being on probation to me, and if it is to you, then you've got a screw loose. As I mentioned in my first post (which it doesn't appear that you read very closely), I've been looking forward to a national championship team for over 3 decades, but not at the expense of the intregity of Auburn University.

    Someone who would argue with that is probably a fan of the Dark Side, who wants championships at all co$t$. I hope Cam is innocent, as he's the best Auburn player I've ever seen (including Bo), but I have my doubts.

  • Don't feel sorry for me, Auburn Bay! I didn't say Auburn was the villain, but they don't have to be the villain in this little story for them to get in trouble...comprende? Rev. Newton is (factually) a "villain" in this story, and if his son proves to be (and remember, this won't really be over for maybe years), then we go down. Not Newton; Auburn.

    You guys who are being critical need to read a little more closely, and take the Bamer rose-colored glasses off. I'm as glad as anyone we won- it's been a magnificent season. I just don't want the asterisk.

    War Eagle always.

  • All glory is fleeting. I've lived and died with the Tigers since I was a little kid in 1960 and this is the most exciting team to watch I've ever seen. I was fortunate enough to attend all the home games this year and the SECCG yesterday and there's no doubt this is an Auburn team like we've never seen before. Not the most talented but certainly the most focused and resilient. And maybe the best coaching staff from top to bottom we've ever had. You've got to give credit to Coach Tuberville and his staff for recruiting the 24 seniors on this team. Having said that, Coach Chizik and his staff may be the best at getting the team prepared each week and the best game day and half time coaching staff we've ever had.

    This season is almost over. In a little more than a month we will play the last game of the season and the last in a string of three of the "most important games Auburn has ever played" I have no idea what will happen in that game. But I do know that this is an Auburn team unlike any I've ever seen and I've loved watching them, as well as agonizing over every play hoping we would not make an error that would change the course of the season. So far it hasn't happened. Last week, of course, was the ultimate. Last night was the showcase.

    At midnight on January 10, 2011 this team will be in the history books, whatever happens. And the Fall of 2010 will forever be special to the Auburn family.

    This team and coaches are indelibly etched in the hearts of all Auburn Family members.

    All glory is fleeting.

    This post was edited by Weve Won 9 4 years ago

    "Brick by brick, my citizens. Brick by brick"

  • I think some of you need to give aub24-7 a break -- the gist of what he is saying is, I believe, widely shared among the Auburn family, even if the feelings are not always expressed. I was around for the '83, '93, and '04 seasons, and I know the excitement Auburn fans felt those years. This year was shaping up the same way, until the first pay-for-play stories hit a month ago. Since then, the air has kind of gone out. Where I work, conversations among the Auburn fans tend to be more tentative, sort of along the lines of, "Well, they looked really good on Saturday, but...." The "but", of course, is the sometimes unspoken, "...if it's legit" or "...if nothing else comes out." My Sunday school class has no Bama fans, and about half of us are Auburn alumni (with some other schools thrown in for good measure). Both last Sunday and today, not a word was said about the big wins. That would be unthinkable normally, but I just get the sense that there isn't a great desire to brag right now under the circumstances.

    aub24-7 wrote: "This won't really be over for maybe years." Wrong. Unless someone actually proves Cam knew what was going on and/or that Auburn did something wrong, it will forever live as an open controversy, with plenty of sportswriters and fans willing to treat it as a tainted season forever.

    On the other hand, aub24-7, I think you're way off base with this comment: "Haven't seen a sign of hurt yet on Cam, just a big kid skipping around like everything's hunky dory. So what does that tell you?"

    I suppose you could interpret it the way you imply. Or you could interpret it the way Mike Bellotti and many others have: that here is a guy who has a clear conscience. I'm not sure that Cam's demeanor is dispositive one way or another.

  • Cam's dad screwed up, but you would have to be of low character to hold that against his kid. I guess this is a "sins of the father" post.

    The media types need story lines..... they need a lot of them to keep the web pages full and keep people coming back. It is all about traffic. They need to create controversy and manufacture news where there is none. Look at USC and how close they were to the mainstream media, and yet nobody in the media was aware of what was going on. Does anyone think that Bush was the only player at USC that received benefits? USC was at rockstar status with an unprecedented level of media exposure. Was the media blinded by the bright lights? Were they complicit? Are they just a bunch of window-lickers who were too incompetent see what was going on?

    Welcome to the age of instant communication. Events like this have happened in the past, it is just that we did not have this insane level of information (some true and some false). Look at what went on at Oklahoma under Switzer.

    I honestly do believe that Cam did not know what his father did. I think the kid has realizes how lucky he is to be where he is and be as gifted as he is. I think the events at UF and his time in JUCO gave him a perspective that he needed and has made him a better person.

  • Delta,
    I hope I'm wrong about Cam...he could make everything right with one or two sentence, like "My father has hurt me, but we're working it out". That wouldn't get anyone in legal trouble, and it would speak volumes.

    Thanks for the benefit of the doubt! War Eagle!

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  • Guys,
    just thank Kenny and Cecil. It is because of their dumbness that Cam is even at AU. If none of this
    goes down he's at MSU.

    Relax and enjoy the ride!

  • DeltaTiger said... (original post)

    MS Tiger 67, Listen, you may accept that "everyone else does it, so why don't we" mentality, but, as an Auburn Alumnus, I do not. I don't want the crap going on. I saw that first hand...saw it in the 80s when I worked at Sewell Hall, and your hero Pat Dye was the coach. Saw it with the BMWs in the player's parking lot. Saw it with the probation which got Dye booted (rightly so). The program was dirty. You may want that, but I do not. Therefore, I don't want to win a championship with an asterisk beside it. Auburn has worked hard for 20 years to clean this act up. Too hard to let a greedy father drag it down. Glad we won. Yippee. But I don't want the asterisk.

    Remember that Cam will be gone next year, and we'll be left to pick up the pieces if there are any issues that come out later. Auburn is bigger than one stinking player, and we should never compromise one that. I hope Cam didn't know anything, but I know if my father shopped me, I'd be furious and hurt, OR I'd be complicitous (I'd be in on it). Haven't seen a sign of hurt yet on Cam, just a big kid skipping around like everything's hunky dory. So what does that tell you?

    An Auburn "Poser" is one who doesn't care about this stuff. A real Auburn fan cares whether there's dirt or not. I trust Chizik at this point, but I know better than to trust Dye, and I don't have a sense of trust in Cam.

    What? You're putting words in my mouth? I'm accepting what? You're out of your mind buddy!

    Not only was I there in the 80's it's my home town! AHS grad in 1979 and Auburn University 1983. I was in the second row when Pat Dye was annouced as Auburn head coach. I know more about the blue BMW's and what went on then more than you'll ever know!

    My post was a direct response to your defeatist attitude and the "assumption" that we're all going to pay for this down the road! All on the morning after our young Auburn men just completed one of the finest efforts in Auburn Football history! Piss on your cornflakes another time. THIS day isn't for whinning.

    I don't, NOR DO YOU, know how big a role in all this that Cecil Newton or anyone else has played. We'll all know soon enough. Until then there are enough people ready and actively condemning Auburn without your help. Take your gloom and doom to al.com.

    This post was edited by MSTiger67 4 years ago

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  • DeltaTiger said... (original post)

    Delta, I hope I'm wrong about Cam...he could make everything right with one or two sentence, like "My father has hurt me, but we're working it out". That wouldn't get anyone in legal trouble, and it would speak volumes.

    I'm not sure how such a mild statement could possibly "make everything right," even in the limited sense you are talking about. But I don't think Cam has any obligation to publicly throw his father under the bus. On another thread, I argued against those who said Cecil doesn't owe anyone a public explanation and apology, because he certainly does. But no one should expect Cam to criticize his father in public.