In partnership with CBSSports.com
The place for Tiger fans to talk football, basketball and recruiting
The place for Tiger fans to talk about everything Auburn and not!
Buy and sell your Auburn Tiger tickets here.
You have no favorite boards.
The most viewed topics.
The most replied to topics.
The most up-voted topics.
The most down-voted topics.
The most up-voted posters.
The most down-voted posters.
The most followed posters.
First and foremost, this post is in no way an insinuation or assumption. No I am not a troll. I am a passionate and loyal AU fan and have been reading so many posts for the past week. I've gathered thoughts which led to questions so I am reaching out to you all. PM - please feel free to chime in as well.
Over and over (almost ad nauseum) we continue to hear about how the cupboard was completely bare when Chizik was hired.
Was that the case when Saban arrived in Tuscaloosa? How many of Shula's players were key players for Saban? When Saban arrived, he brought in new coordinators and new systems so even those that were there had new things to learn. Today AU has new coordinators who supposedly run more complicated systems than their predecessors. Are the systems at AU more complicated than those at other places?
While I am in no way blaming Chizik or making any negative assumptions. I am merely trying to understand the situation. Some times, it helps to compare facts and I obviously don't have them which is why I am asking these questions...
It seems like even though we have had top recruiting classes, we continue to to hear about youth, inexperience, not our time yet, etc. We know we are competing on the recruiting trail. It's just hard to see how that doesn't seem to translate on the field.
Likewise, it seems we continue to hear that most of our top recruits don't know the playbook enough, don't have the experience, etc, Do other SEC programs have stars that are freshman and certainly sophomores? I know of a few, but thought some of you may have more insight into that. The ones off the top of my head are
Clemson - Sammie Watkins
Bama - Julio Jones and plenty of others it seems
LSU - cannot name them but it seems like they have had their fair share as well
South Carolina - Marcus Lattimore, Alshon Jeffries
It seems like Dyer is the only true freshman that has ever been a star at Auburn in a very long time.
Why are those teams able to turn freshmen into stars but we can't or don't?
In Chizik's time at Auburn, 2010 is the only year we have beaten Bama, LSU, Georgia and Arkansas. If we lose to all of those teams this year (which is very possible), the record books will be fairly lopsided. Those teams have had strong recruiting classes, some better than AU and some not, all of them have lost players - due to dismissal, NFL, graduation, changed systems and coordinators, etc. What are we doing different?
Look forward to hearing your insights.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by jbt 22 months ago
I think panic noted one of the big things. In most situations, you have the opportunity to mix young, incoming talent with existing, upperclassman talent. We had that to some extent in 2010 and did pretty well (mixing in Blake, Dyer, Lutz, and Lemonier).
Starting last year though, there was almost zero of that mix on the team.
I hate to keep having to compare our situation to that of Saban, because that other thread had a TON of information about how the situations are completely different. It's extremely unusual to have an entire recruiting class missing (2009) and it effect you so severely two years after you take over the job. But that's what he's been dealt. That is mostly overcome starting next year.
But to answer your question about the situation Saban inherited in regards to players...he had the following NFL draft picks already on hand when he got there (forgive me if I have one or two wrong, but I'm pretty sure of the following)....
Seven of which were taken in the first three rounds.
Chizik inherited the following draft picks (again, forgive me if I mess up on one)...
and maybe McCalebb and Ford.
Two of those (already drafted) were in the first three rounds (surely Lutz will be too).
This is just one of the many, many ways the situations are completely different.
This post was edited by jadennis 22 months ago
Saban signed these in his 2007 class (not inherited from Shula)...
Signed in Chizik's 2009 class (not inherited from Tubs)...
This post was edited by faulkner41 22 months ago
War Damn and God Bless - Lutzie43
My recollection is that no players signed with Alabama that were exclusively recruited by Saban and his staff. The entire list was already committed when Saban arrived, therefore inherited. For Chizik, the only surprise in that class was Benton. Lutz was a long-time Tuberville commit.
Hating uga since 1892.
You grad, bro?
247Sports In partnership with CBS Sports