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Can Saban Get The Rules For HUNH Changed?

  • Saban quote after the Ole Miss game and before they lost to TA&M

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    I think that the way people are going no-huddle right now, that at some point in time, we should look at how fast we allow the game to go in terms of player safety," Saban said on today's SEC teleconference. "The team gets in the same formation group, you can't substitute defensive players, you go on a 14-, 16-, 18-play drive and they're snapping the ball as fast as you can go and you look out there and all your players are walking around and can't even get lined up. That's when guys have a much greater chance of getting hurt when they're not ready to play.

    "I think that's something that can be looked at. It's obviously created a tremendous advantage for the offense when teams are scoring 70 points and we're averaging 49.5 points a game. With people that do those kinds of things. More and more people are going to do it.
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    Tigerz Baby pointed this out in another thread. I remember seeing this happen more than once.

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    That must be why nick had he refs stand at the ball until his defense was all lined up even though the offense was ready to snap it but couldn't because the ref wouldn't get out of the way...
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    We all know how close Saban and Emmert are. Saban will argue the player safety angle and try to have the refs prevent the offense from snapping it until the defense is set. If that were to happen then he could teach the players to take their time getting set in order to give them time to rest.

    What are your thoughts?

    This post was edited by AUoutlaw on 12/5/2012 at 11:09 AM

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  • His best bet would be to go through slive and get conference rules changed; get richt, miles, etc on board.

    Nationally, it won't happen because other conferences would riot. The animosity towards the sec is already high and this would probably send them all home with their ball.

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  • There's nothing that can be done about. There is no way they can make a rule requiring teams to huddle up. They allow teams to go as quickly as they can in a 2 minute drill, would they stop that too? No.

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  • AUoutlaw said...

    Saban quote after the Ole Miss game and before they lost to TA&M

    quote: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I think that the way people are going no-huddle right now, that at some point in time, we should look at how fast we allow the game to go in terms of player safety," Saban said on today's SEC teleconference. "The team gets in the same formation group, you can't substitute defensive players, you go on a 14-, 16-, 18-play drive and they're snapping the ball as fast as you can go and you look out there and all your players are walking around and can't even get lined up. That's when guys have a much greater chance of getting hurt when they're not ready to play.

    "I think that's something that can be looked at. It's obviously created a tremendous advantage for the offense when teams are scoring 70 points and we're averaging 49.5 points a game. With people that do those kinds of things. More and more people are going to do it. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Tigerz Baby pointed this out in another thread. I remember seeing this happen more than once.

    quote: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- That must be why nick had he refs stand at the ball until his defense was all lined up even though the offense was ready to snap it but couldn't because the ref wouldn't get out of the way... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    We all know how close Saban and Emmert are. Saban will argue the player safety angle and try to have the refs prevent the offense from snapping it until the defense is set. If that were to happen then he could teach the players to take their time getting set in order to give them time to rest.

    What are your thoughts?

    Answer to your question: NO

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  • kingofhill said...

    There's nothing that can be done about. There is no way they can make a rule requiring teams to huddle up. They allow teams to go as quickly as they can in a 2 minute drill, would they stop that too? No.

    This was my first thought but as Tigerz Baby pointed out, I have seen refs stand over the ball for much longer than they should when the offense is lined up and ready to go

    edit: Just saw AUVTM's response

    This post was edited by AUoutlaw on 12/5/2012 at 11:19 AM

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  • AUoutlaw said...

    This was my first thought but as Tigerz Baby pointed out, I have seen refs stand over the ball for much longer than they should when the offense is lined up and ready to go

    Right, and this is what burns me. If the offense subs, the defense has a right to sub. The defense, however, does not have the right to set at a pace that is comfortable for them. If the offense is on point and makes a substitution faster than the defense? Advantage, offense. They're ready before you are.

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  • I would of never thought he could have postponed an infraction hearing till after signing day, forced other schools to change their schedules, or hired an assistant AD to an unpaid GA position for the sole purpose of spoon feeding Cam accusations to the media in an attempt to derail the 2010 season for AU ; But he did

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  • Just like the 2010 IB, the ref had his hand on the flag like an old west gunslinger before the ball was snapped to call a 15 on Fairley

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  • Well, I don't think they'll be in a race to change too many rules to mitigate a style of play. The law of unintended consequences here alone would probably play HUGE.

    Other's have mentioned the way any change effecting this would essentially kill the ability to run a two minute drill. This isn't about player safety, this is about player conditioning and style.

    Saban and others of his ilk have not figured out yet that the big 300+ run stoppers are ineffective against a system like that.

    They could modify the rules to say when the ball is placed and the clock allowed to run - but essentially they'd be modifying the way the game itself is played to suit a certain style of coaching. No man has that kind of singular power - especially because of the quickly growing segment of teams running this type of scheme.

    The larger question that (to me) should be addressed here - how long before it becomes standard in the NFL? Patriots are already implementing it as are others.

    Gruden was amazed at Cam's lack of offensive reading complexity. But he didn't mistake that as a weakness - because it is also a strength. With less "reads" to make, there are less decisions to make - and if you accelerate the pace of the game, the defense has less time to implement complexity into their schemes.

    The whole things kind of simplifies the game to it's purest form and removes a lot of the "chess match" out of it - pitting athlete against athlete - and resolving the game down to a more simple form of competition.

    For a guy like Saban who has mastered the chess game of schemes, this is an abhorrent thing that ruins his cherished past time. For up and coming athletes who have neither the patience nor the time to wait learn advanced schemes and techniques - this is the future.

    There is a reason freshman are coming in an playing immediately, and rookies are succeeding in the NFL - for the first time, these kids are physically ready AND mentally ready for the game... not because they're mentally more advanced, but because the game has moved to something they can understand better.... (Not to mention the Xbox's help).

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  • AUoutlaw said...

    Saban quote after the Ole Miss game and before they lost to TA&M :
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    I think that the way people are going no-huddle right now, that at some point in time, we should look at how fast we allow the game to go in terms of player safety,' Saban said on today's SEC teleconference. 'The team gets in the same formation group, you can't substitute defensive players, you go on a 14-, 16-, 18-play drive and they're snapping the ball as fast as you can go and you look out there and all your players are walking around and can't even get lined up. That's when guys have a much greater chance of getting hurt when they're not ready to play.

    'I think that's something that can be looked at. It's obviously created a tremendous advantage for the offense when teams are scoring 70 points and we're averaging 49.5 points a game. With people that do those kinds of things. More and more people are going to do it.
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    I've actually thought for years that long term health concerns would eventually change the rules of the game but many of the suggestions are actually the opposite of Saban's "we can't substitute enough" whining ...

    Studies have shown that college & professional players have major long term health problems that shorten lifespans --- two major problems are concussions and heart problems related to obesity. We're seeing the concussion issue being aggressively addressed but you can bet that more rule changes are coming. The problem of carrying extra weight and the long term heart problems are more difficult to address. One suggestion is to go back to substitution rules which do not allow platooning like we do in the modern game. Most players played both ways in the 1950's because the substitution rules limited the number of times players could go into and out of the game.

    Returning to these types of rules would eliminate the 300# linemen & 240# running backs because players would not be able to carry that weight and play a 60 minute game. Violent collisions are reduced because less mass colliding at slower speeds (fatigue) creates fewer crippling injuries. Since endurance becomes vital to the game players are healthier and less likely to 'blow up' to 400# after their playing days are over. NFL linemen would likely add 10 years back to their life expectancy.

    I realize this gets off the topic a bit but as 'long term health' lawsuits against the NFL mount (can the NCAA be far behind) you have to wonder what the game will look like in 50 years and will the public still want to watch the safer, healthier game?

    This post was edited by AUTigerRay on 12/5/2012 at 5:30 PM

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  • Changing rules on the HUNH would be like saying you cant play a player bigger than your opponent or no two min O.

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  • AUoutlaw said...

    Saban quote after the Ole Miss game and before they lost to TA&M

    quote:
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    I think that the way people are going no-huddle right now, that at some point in time, we should look at how fast we allow the game to go in terms of player safety,' Saban said on today's SEC teleconference. 'The team gets in the same formation group, you can't substitute defensive players, you go on a 14-, 16-, 18-play drive and they're snapping the ball as fast as you can go and you look out there and all your players are walking around and can't even get lined up. That's when guys have a much greater chance of getting hurt when they're not ready to play.

    'I think that's something that can be looked at. It's obviously created a tremendous advantage for the offense when teams are scoring 70 points and we're averaging 49.5 points a game. With people that do those kinds of things. More and more people are going to do it.
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    Tigerz Baby pointed this out in another thread. I remember seeing this happen more than once.

    quote:
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    That must be why nick had he refs stand at the ball until his defense was all lined up even though the offense was ready to snap it but couldn't because the ref wouldn't get out of the way...
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    We all know how close Saban and Emmert are. Saban will argue the player safety angle and try to have the refs prevent the offense from snapping it until the defense is set. If that were to happen then he could teach the players to take their time getting set in order to give them time to rest.

    What are your thoughts?

    No one is stopping his offense from running as slow or as fast as possible. If he want change get rid of the play clock. How this saban coach your defense to defend any offensive package with any personnel on the field.

    WDE

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    Jroc95

  • Another way players are hurt is when the defensive players are so big and strong that they run over smaller players. Maybe coaches should look at limiting size and strength of players to avoid injuries. (sarcasm)

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