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Said it before saying it again to hell with bama and whatever they want. I here the big 12 is looking for new members...
Your outside source.
I think the SEC office knows that the relationship between Auburn and Alabama is toxic. I can't see any way they don't move us to the East. Moving to the East would be the best thing for all involved
I think its funny the fear CGC and AU in everything they do, it would not break my heart if they keep UT and we only played them every four or five years.
This post was edited by AUhomer on 10/20/2011 at 11:23 AM
War Damn Eagle!!!
I'm a bit surprised that they oppose our move. It really does make more sense for us to play UT/UF/UGA every year in divisional play.
I'm not passing judgement on coaches, programs or anything... just looking at overall 'history', so take this from that perspective.
I agree that we'd be in a better position in the East. Here's why. Historically we lead all series with Eastern division teams with the odd exception of Vandy. I think if we played them every year, we'd quickly fix that. I think we're like one game down to them.
In the West, we trail LSU and UA. We're essentially even with Ark. I dont see those three teams trailing off anytime soon. All three programs are very solid... and look to remain that way for years to come.
In the East, I dont think the Weiss/Boom experiment is going to work out ... turmoil. UGA, the defensive coordinator is a dead man walking, Richt is in deep trouble. Dooley is in full rebuilding mode at UT. Long way to go. USC is going down on probation, probably hard. Spurrier is running out of gusto.... turmoil in a historically bad program. We absolutely have owned UK over the years. In that context... take us to the East and throw us in!
Seriously, don't take me too serious.
Hating uga since 1892.
say what you want about historical perspectives.......
We struggle to beat Arkie, anywhere. We split with them.
We've had the better of it since bahr at UA but gone are the days of closing that margin. We'll be holding it where it is if we do well, during Sabears tenure.
We've always struggled with LSU.
This historical perspective on all three of those is the current reality.
As to the East, I merely point out that USC, UGA and likely UF are all going through or likely soon will go through turmoil, which can only be good for us. UK is a non factor. VU is an oddity for us and God knows we have struggled to win in that crackerbox they have up there. UT will be strong in years to come.
Look, right now the West is tougher. A few years back the East was tougher. Before that the West was and so on. It's all the SEC. Today we play 5 from our side and three from the other.
It is all relative to the season at hand.
First scenario: Auburn is top of the East in 2014, 5-0, and #4 in the nation. West games are 5-0 uat,
1-3 Ole Miss and 3-2 Miss State. Looks pretty good.
Second scenario: Auburn is top of the East in 2014, 5-0 and #4 in the nation. West games are 5-0 uat,
5-0 lsu and 4-0 arkansas. Different story.
Point: It really won't be much different for AU as to how tough or weak the schedule shakes out. Well, it may be, but that depends on how they write the schedules. The primary concern is traditional rivalries and their importance. As the West schedule has been, odd years are boogers for Auburn; on the road @ lsu, @ arkansas, @ uga, and @ another East team. Even years have been sweet, with the tough road trip typically being only uat (see 2010). Then there's the way alabama has had it; in odd years, they typically have the one tough road trip to Auburn (see 2009).
So, it comes down to how the ink dries when the SEC rotation is written. It's useless to speculate that
one division would shake out better or worse than another until we see that.
I mean, if what if Auburn ended up with uat, lsu, uga, UF and UT all on the road the same year?
I'm almost certain that it will be a 6-3 split with a 14 team conference. Meaning you'll play each of your divisional rivals, (6 games), two traditional rivals, (2 games) and rotate the other game between the other 5 teams from the other division.
We'd always have to play bama and I suspect MSU. Meaning we'd play A&M, LSU, Ark, UM and Missou maybe twice every ten years.
In exchange we get UT, UF, USC, KY and VU Are we better off with:
UF vs LSU, (given our recent ownership of UF and turmoil there... I think UF is a small plus here, long term push)
ARK vs UT, (UT is in rebuild mode, Ark is built to be good for a while. Short term big plus.. long term push)
USC vs A&M, (Spurrier's time is running out... and this program hasn't beaten us in fifty years. big plus here)
VU vs UM, (UV is just a bad program, Nutt is just a bad coach. Ultimately this is a short and long term +)
KY vs Mizzou, (Dont know much about mizzou, know we've lost to KY once in 30 years or so big +).
I'm just talking about the teams that you play every year. Some seasons you pick up the heavyweights from the other division but most you dont... it will be even more different when the conf goes to 16 teams... then you only have two cross divisional games. I get what you're saying about the devil in the details but think of it this way....if we stay in the west, we play LSU/ARk ten times in ten years. We play 10 of those 20 games in their barn. We lose 6-8 of those games. I'll take my chances with UT and UF. In recent years we have done well with them. Factor in who else we pick up vs who we lose as 'every' year opponents and I just dont see how the East isn't a good thing for us.
Why so certain that two games would be fixed? They had it that way and went to the current schedule a few years back. When it was 2 fixed and one rotating, we had UF and uga. bama had UT and Vandy.
See, that didn't add up. So, they went to one fixed and two rotating. I don't think they are going to change that. If they do, it will be for the sake of that Saturday in October thing. So, It won't be a decision made with anyone else in mind. AND, the very oddities that Philip wrote about earlier make the AU/lsu game, or Tiger Bowl, very interesting. The media would also rather see that one every year than AU/msu or lsu/USC. So, while I have no idea what they will do, I hope like hell thatthey don't go back to the 2-1 deal. I fear the short end of that stick. AND, if they stay with the 1-2, we will only play folks every so often, but it will be brutal when we do go on the road. The plus/minus comparisons work out for today only. Fact is; USC, Arky, lsu amd even UF were not the dreaded opponents of now 25 years ago.
AND, just 10 years ago, UT was def. not a place you wanted to go. Keeping with this theme, I remember that not long ago, we counted bama in the W column most every season. So, with the exception of Vandy, Uk and the Misunderssippi's, the SEC tends to toss the success around.
We really won't know what happens until they do whatever they do.
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